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Regulators Have Doubts About Facebook Cryptocurrency, and So Do Its Partners

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Re: Regulators Have Doubts About Facebook Cryptocurrency, and So Do Its Partners

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Call me dumb for saying this, but I can go to a casino or chuck e. cheese and trade in USD for chips I use at their location. I could take those chips somewhere else if I wanted to and use them with anyone willing to take them. Why is Libra so upsetting? Isn't it the same thing? It seems to me like criticizing Facebook is just the fashionable response to it right now.

It's upsetting because it involves Facebook which means that a) HN and b) the press are very, very upset.

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Given that Libra is not a real cryptocurrency (it requires trust), is this a way for them to plant FUD around bitcoin?

>is not a real cryptocurrency (it requires trust) Trustless is not a requirement for a cryptocurrency. PoS requires trust, but still would be a viable consensus mechanism for a cryptocurrency.

eh. This is an oversimplification. I dislike the concept of trustless anyhow. It seems to be misunderstood and misused. Libra is not censorship resistant. This is the major problem with Facebook controlling a large swath of corpokleptocurrency.

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Call me dumb for saying this, but I can go to a casino or chuck e. cheese and trade in USD for chips I use at their location. I could take those chips somewhere else if I wanted to and use them with anyone willing to take them. Why is Libra so upsetting? Isn't it the same thing? It seems to me like criticizing Facebook is just the fashionable response to it right now.

I won’t call you dumb, but you can only stretch an analogy so far. And some weirdos trading pizza arcade tokens like they are real money is not at all the same as one of the richest companies in the world trying to disrupt the global currency market for gain. Since you asked—that’s the difference, that’s what has got people “upset.”

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Why would they want to be in it?

facebook would not want to invite google, since facebook's biggest competitor is google (advertising wise).

Agreed. Seems Google would throw 10mil at a project like this as a tax write off, if it was allowed in...another example of how this isn't now nor ever going to be decentralized.

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Call me dumb for saying this, but I can go to a casino or chuck e. cheese and trade in USD for chips I use at their location. I could take those chips somewhere else if I wanted to and use them with anyone willing to take them. Why is Libra so upsetting? Isn't it the same thing? It seems to me like criticizing Facebook is just the fashionable response to it right now.

with money it's usually about:

- financial data: who will own it. Governments want access to it first hand. - monetary policy: governments want to be able to define the circulating amount.

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Call me dumb for saying this, but I can go to a casino or chuck e. cheese and trade in USD for chips I use at their location. I could take those chips somewhere else if I wanted to and use them with anyone willing to take them. Why is Libra so upsetting? Isn't it the same thing? It seems to me like criticizing Facebook is just the fashionable response to it right now.

You actually can't. Nevada law is explicit that casino chips are not allowed to be used "for any monetary purpose" and federal law prohibits the creation of currencies. Casino chips are highly regulated and only permitted to be used as a stand in for gambling funds where it is permitted.

In real life if a casino doesn't think you got a chip from them directly as part of gaming at that casino they won't pay out on it. That actually happens with some regularity.

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Casinos are highly regulated. If Facebook was under a similar degree of regulations I would be at ease.

I don't think using chips is why they are regulated though. It is more the gambling with chips or actual dollars that causes the regulation.

You're going in circles. Dealing with money is why they're regulated. Actually chips are a way to soften the fact that a lot of money is changing hands very quickly, so it's a part of the regulation, no some accident.

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Why would they want to be in it?

Well, it seems like if the biggest social network is initiating currency project then rather have a foot in than out, no? More broadly, it seems that yet another media campaign to push Facebook's bowl over somehow is going on. Not a fan of the company by any means, but it does look like this project has merit and will happen whether the naysayers want it or not. Given this I would just assume that any big tech compan…

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Re: Regulators Have Doubts About Facebook Cryptocurrency, and So Do Its Partners

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Call me dumb for saying this, but I can go to a casino or chuck e. cheese and trade in USD for chips I use at their location. I could take those chips somewhere else if I wanted to and use them with anyone willing to take them. Why is Libra so upsetting? Isn't it the same thing? It seems to me like criticizing Facebook is just the fashionable response to it right now.

I won’t call you dumb, but you can only stretch an analogy so far. And some weirdos trading pizza arcade tokens like they are real money is not at all the same as one of the richest companies in the world trying to disrupt the global currency market for gain. Since you asked—that’s the difference, that’s what has got people “upset.”

Fair enough. I definitely see the potential downside of them doing this. It seems like people are saying this is bad because of who is doing it though. Not what is being done. I find it a tough spot because I think something like Libra (A nation-less currency) is a really good idea. But it will take some sort of large fiat backing to happen. IMO the decentralized model isn't really working.

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What do you expect from a "currency" with the ethics of Uber, the censoring ability of PayPal and the customer service quality of Vodafone?

Regarding Vodafone - I think it takes some special kind of talent to be so utterly and consistently awful across all channels for customer service. I even tried complaining through their website about my miserable failures in trying to buy stuff from them and their online complaints form returned an error when I submitted it - meaning that I ended up emailing them complaining about their complaints process! Edit: Apo…

I wonder what priority that ticket got when it found it's way into the backlog.
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