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Average Global Temperatures since 1850

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Re: Average Global Temperatures since 1850

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Post by lubonay »

wallace_f wrote: post #11
lubonay wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Greed seems to be the primary engine driving humanity as a whole. IMO the most viable path forward is to find some overlap between our desire to obtain and consume more, and the pressing need to reduce greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. Maybe if we find a way to make carbon capture super lucrative or something?

It's really easy to implement a carbon tax. And it solves the problem. But what politicians want is more power grabs, not solutions. All of our wars on poverty, drugs, terror etc are intended this way. They are wars on people. This is the same. These people dont give a fuck about you. That's rarely ever been the case.

Implementing an unpopular measure (more tax) is almost equivalent to political suicide, and people in power tend to want to stay in power.

So yeah, technically it may be easy, but politically (which is what really matters here) this is almost impossible.

Re: Average Global Temperatures since 1850

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Post by helenakyso »

disordinary wrote: post #18
helenakyso wrote: post #17

Any ideas of What, WE, the individuals can do to make politician and countries change?

Just a ground swell at the local level, cities all around the world are calling climate emergencies including all the main cities in New Zealand. The NZ government will have to follow suit. Bigger cities are following too including New York and Sydney today.

But I think that by the time the government start making changes, it will be too late, as it is too late now. Like humanity must have a dramatic change - from top to bottom. The system is against the world

We live in a finite world consuming like it is infinite

Every action counts, but it will be hard and it must be super reinforced by law

Re: Average Global Temperatures since 1850

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Post by tomtomtom777 »

helenakyso wrote: post #17

Any ideas of What, WE, the individuals can do to make politician and countries change?

Stop buying stuff without thought.

I know that a lot of people feel helpless because it's the big corporations that are emitting, but companies only emit CO2 if consumers pay them to do so.

Buying everything consciously, whether its food, appliances, housing, or a ticket to some performance, will make the world better.

Re: Average Global Temperatures since 1850

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Post by helenakyso »

lubonay wrote: post #8

I think humans are generally bad at prevention of and good at reaction to catastrophes. The next 50 years are going to be interesting... let's hope we leave the world in a manageable state for future generations.

climate migration is going to be a part of it

Re: Average Global Temperatures since 1850

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Post by tomohawk »

Only going back to 1850 is exactly the kind of thing someone would do if they wanted to cherry pick their data to suit a case. You have to go back much further. It is known that at that time we were coming out of a period of much cooler temperatures. See for example the year without a summer (1816).

There are periods of human history where it was warmer than it is now. For example, during the Viking expansion, and during the Roman expansion. Then things cooled off - for example the Viking and Roman contraction.

If you go to L'Anse aux Meadows in Newfoundland, you can see the remains of the only known Viking settlement in the new world. The buildings were made with logs from trees that do not exist there today because it is cooler now and does not support the tree growth required.

Re: Average Global Temperatures since 1850

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Post by reallydontask »

tomohawk wrote: post #25

Only going back to 1850 is exactly the kind of thing someone would do if they wanted to cherry pick their data to suit a case. You have to go back much further. It is known that at that time we were coming out of a period of much cooler temperatures. See for example the year without a summer (1816). There are periods of human history where it was warmer than it is now. For example, during the Viking expansion, and du…

To be fair, the longer one goes back in time the less data there is and I would hazard a guess that prior to 1600 there is no direct data at all.

Re: Average Global Temperatures since 1850

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Post by H8crilA »

helenakyso wrote: post #17

Any ideas of What, WE, the individuals can do to make politician and countries change?

Make sure your assets are shielded from the consequences. I'm a strong believer in voting with legs.

For example - it's insane how the Miami real estate prices ignore what's going on (they even have a cheerful name - "sunny day floods"): https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MIXRNSA Just sell it already! There's nothing good waiting for Miami, the city will die. Rent if you really want to stay till it blows up.

As far as stocks go many companies do not publish data on how climate change will impact them. But they probably will, soon, and ETFs will follow suit: https://www.economist.com/business/2019/02/21/business-and-t...

Of course for the worst case scenario (hundreds of millions of refugees from dried up / flooded places) no assets management strategy will help, as this will be a world-war impact event.

Re: Average Global Temperatures since 1850

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Post by cygx »

tomohawk wrote: post #25

Only going back to 1850 is exactly the kind of thing someone would do if they wanted to cherry pick their data to suit a case. You have to go back much further. It is known that at that time we were coming out of a period of much cooler temperatures. See for example the year without a summer (1816). There are periods of human history where it was warmer than it is now. For example, during the Viking expansion, and du…

https://static.skepticalscience.com/images/Temperature_Patte... vs https://static.skepticalscience.com/images/Temp_Pattern_1999...

source: https://skepticalscience.com/greenland-used-to-be-green.htm

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