I hated my HP Envy, because it kept breaking, but...I guess I do have to give them credit for it being fixable. I replaced both fans (in separate incidents), the keyboard, and re-seated and taped the screen cable, in the nearly three years I used it as my primary laptop. It lasted a lot longer than the Dell that followed it, which broke in ways I couldn't fix. My stance on HP has softened, because I've sort of seen that they're not alone in making crappy stuff (and, no, Apple is not immune), it's kinda the norm these days. I'd kinda sworn off of them forever...but, they're cheap and I guess they're about par for the course in terms of today's laptop longevity. Being repairable goes a long way to making them likeable again.
Thin yet Repairable Devices: HP Proves They Exist
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#22Anyone use one of these for work and care to share their opinion? I got burned real bad (figuratively, though it did get very hot) by a garbage HP laptop in like 2006, so I’m curious if the build and general quality have improved.
It would be a bit sad if they made them repairable because they fail so often.
Being more serious I’m not sure this is considered in the debate about repairability. If Apple soldering memory to the motherboard is more reliable than using a socket is that better or worse for the life of the product.
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#24But should they? I suspect a majority of the market would take a few extra mm of thickness for a durable laptop with a durable battery that would last a few more years. But instead manufacturers of laptops, phones, and tablets are putting in substandard batteries to help ensure you come back in a few years for a new one. Especially evil is when there's no screws and they epoxy the battery.
Yes, which is why it should be illegal to build non-repairable laptops and phones. This is exactly what a market failure looks like. Everyone racing to be the prettiest, at huge environmental costs.
We need to make things slightly less pretty for the world to survive. Only very slightly less, thankfully.
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#25I honestly had no idea HP still made laptops — or that they were still in the consumer hardware business at all.
The question is whether they are still complete garbage. I'm not the only one who absolutely refuses to buy anything branded HP.
Yes they are, one of the reasons they need to be serviceable probably.
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#26Anyone use one of these for work and care to share their opinion? I got burned real bad (figuratively, though it did get very hot) by a garbage HP laptop in like 2006, so I’m curious if the build and general quality have improved.
The Elitebook x360 G5 and G6 are pretty common in our org. The G5 had a few problems, but the G6 (which I have) is really nice.
The only design flaw is the (non-)docking station setup doesn't give it sufficient cooling, and the location of the power button makes it too easy to accidentally press.
Fortunately you can switch so a single press of the power button doesn't shut down the OS. And we're 3D printing desktop supports that fix the cooling situation.
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
The question is whether they are still complete garbage. I'm not the only one who absolutely refuses to buy anything branded HP.
I own a ZBook 15 (2014) and it's very good. The bad points are the keyboard with a number pad (I'd pay an extra for one without it, MacBook style) and (less important) the 16:9 form factor of the screen (anything taller is better and the screen has a lot of vertical bezel). The good points are that's fast enough for my job (mostly backend web development) and easily expandable. I eventually maxed up the RAM to 32 GB,…
I also have an old ZBook 15 and must say I'm also pretty happy with it.
The weight is a massive pain, 3.3 Kg for mine, but on average I take it somewhere once every couple of months at most so I can live with it.
The big plus is that I haven't had to buy a new machine in close to 5 years and performance is on par with my Dell at work and certainly better that my crappy surface book 2 at my previous place.
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#28But should they? I suspect a majority of the market would take a few extra mm of thickness for a durable laptop with a durable battery that would last a few more years. But instead manufacturers of laptops, phones, and tablets are putting in substandard batteries to help ensure you come back in a few years for a new one. Especially evil is when there's no screws and they epoxy the battery.
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#29Yea, but does it come with a thinkpad keyboard and the "red dot"?
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#30I hope this gets a lot of praise. Being able to repair isn't just a hobby. It saves people a lot of money and is really beneficial to the environment. It is something we should strive for. Computers have gotten fast enough where most consumers don't need all the latest and greatest hardware. Frankly most people just surf the internet and watch netflix. We should encourage repair-ability
i agree, fixing our own device is actually quite fun. It should encourage.