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Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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Post by leereeves »

dymk wrote: post #6
muckrakerz wrote: post #4

Brave is doing some of the best anti-Corporatist work in the community right now.

They replace other ad network ads with their own ~ads~ crypto currency . They monetize the content of others and don't tell them. If you have a youtube channel, they will swap out ads and collect the ad revenue without telling the channel that they're doing so. I'm not particularly impressed with their business. In fact I'm pretty disgusted with it.

It's potentially even worse than that.

Exploiting this grey area in the law will lead to a response from the courts and lawmakers. That response might well require that browsers display pages exactly as the publisher intends.

In other words, the end of ad blockers and other tools, thanks to Brave.

(Not at all unlikely given that Google seems to want that too.)

Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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Post by ajna91 »

dymk wrote: post #6
muckrakerz wrote: post #4

Brave is doing some of the best anti-Corporatist work in the community right now.

They replace other ad network ads with their own ~ads~ crypto currency . They monetize the content of others and don't tell them. If you have a youtube channel, they will swap out ads and collect the ad revenue without telling the channel that they're doing so. I'm not particularly impressed with their business. In fact I'm pretty disgusted with it.

It depends. Are Brave's ads more similar to the banner ads of the old days? If they are not so intrusive and privacy violating like modern ad-networks, that would still be a net win in my opinion.

As for the hypothetical youtuber, they are always free to put product ads directly in their videos if they can/want to. However, if they can only make money via abusive 3rd party trackers, that's on them.

Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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Post by woodruffw »

saltedshiv wrote: post #9
dymk wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They replace other ad network ads with their own ~ads~ crypto currency . They monetize the content of others and don't tell them. If you have a youtube channel, they will swap out ads and collect the ad revenue without telling the channel that they're doing so. I'm not particularly impressed with their business. In fact I'm pretty disgusted with it.

Are you saying that I should be required to execute all code on a web page? That's the eventual point this train of thought will lead you to.

This seems like an unreasonable interpretation; it’s much more likely that ‘dymk wants to execute the bare minimum amount of arbitrary code on a web page.

Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

#14

Post by theferalrobot »

walterbell wrote: post #7
muckrakerz wrote: post #4

Brave is doing some of the best anti-Corporatist work in the community right now.

Does Brave still whitelist Facebook trackers? Is there a way to opt-out of Facebook tracking on Brave for iOS? https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/1108

Did you read the link you posted? They block many facebook tracking components but there are some things they aren't touching right now because some website depend on facebook for logins.

Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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Post by mintplant »

dymk wrote: post #6
muckrakerz wrote: post #4

Brave is doing some of the best anti-Corporatist work in the community right now.

They replace other ad network ads with their own ~ads~ crypto currency . They monetize the content of others and don't tell them. If you have a youtube channel, they will swap out ads and collect the ad revenue without telling the channel that they're doing so. I'm not particularly impressed with their business. In fact I'm pretty disgusted with it.

This is untrue, as far as I'm aware. Brave blocks ads and trackers by default, and you can opt into a separate "Brave Rewards" program which pays you in crypto-currency tokens in exchange for receiving ads via push notifications and the New Tab page (not inline with web content).

https://brave.com/brave-ads-launch/

Users can then choose to contribute some or all of those funds back to the publishers/creators they visit that have signed up to Brave's platform. They try to do this all in as privacy-preserving a manner as possible.

https://brave.com/creators/

Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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Post by dymk »

brandnewlow wrote: post #10
dymk wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They replace other ad network ads with their own ~ads~ crypto currency . They monetize the content of others and don't tell them. If you have a youtube channel, they will swap out ads and collect the ad revenue without telling the channel that they're doing so. I'm not particularly impressed with their business. In fact I'm pretty disgusted with it.

Citation please.

https://www.altcoinbuzz.io/crypto-news/spotlight/famous-yout...

Tom Scott was not happy with Brave. They were collecting ad revenue for Youtubers who had never opted into their platform.

He had to go make a stink to their CEO, and finally after lots of pushing back, the CEO ceded that maybe this is not the best thing to do!

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18734999

Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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Post by muckrakerz »

dymk wrote: post #6
muckrakerz wrote: post #4

Brave is doing some of the best anti-Corporatist work in the community right now.

They replace other ad network ads with their own ~ads~ crypto currency . They monetize the content of others and don't tell them. If you have a youtube channel, they will swap out ads and collect the ad revenue without telling the channel that they're doing so. I'm not particularly impressed with their business. In fact I'm pretty disgusted with it.

Yes. I want a citation for this. As far as I'm aware this is completely untrue.

Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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Post by rocqua »

leereeves wrote: post #11
dymk wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They replace other ad network ads with their own ~ads~ crypto currency . They monetize the content of others and don't tell them. If you have a youtube channel, they will swap out ads and collect the ad revenue without telling the channel that they're doing so. I'm not particularly impressed with their business. In fact I'm pretty disgusted with it.

It's potentially even worse than that. Exploiting this grey area in the law will lead to a response from the courts and lawmakers. That response might well require that browsers display pages exactly as the publisher intends. In other words, the end of ad blockers and other tools, thanks to Brave. (Not at all unlikely given that Google seems to want that too.)

It feels to me like this could be legislated based on profiting on others' copyright.

The issue here is one party making money, without consent of any form, based on another party's published materials.

Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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Post by dymk »

mintplant wrote: post #15
dymk wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They replace other ad network ads with their own ~ads~ crypto currency . They monetize the content of others and don't tell them. If you have a youtube channel, they will swap out ads and collect the ad revenue without telling the channel that they're doing so. I'm not particularly impressed with their business. In fact I'm pretty disgusted with it.

This is untrue, as far as I'm aware. Brave blocks ads and trackers by default, and you can opt into a separate "Brave Rewards" program which pays you in crypto-currency tokens in exchange for receiving ads via push notifications and the New Tab page (not inline with web content). https://brave.com/brave-ads-launch/ Users can then choose to contribute some or all of those funds back to the publishers/creators they vis…

No, the Brave browser does not try to verify that the page that it's replacing ads on has opted into Brave's "rewards" thing. They'll s/page_ads/brave_ads/ and collect a check regardless of if that revenue is going to the page owner or not.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18734999

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