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California’s mountain lion faces ‘extinction vortex’

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Re: California’s mountain lion faces ‘extinction vortex’

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I lived in California my whole life before moving to Arizona about twenty years ago. I saw a mountain lion in Carlsbad California right before we moved. It was standing next busy College Avenue waiting for a break in traffic, then trotted across the street. Now living in the mountains of Central Arizona, there is more potential for seeing them. We have had tracks under our deck and very early in the morning I saw one on the street two blocks from our house. Mountain lions can pose a real threat to small children, so literally, pick up your kids with you if you see a mountain close by.

re: stopping development in some areas in California: that sounds like a good idea in general, and in this case I believe that protecting some areas of natural habitat is probably a good idea.

Re: California’s mountain lion faces ‘extinction vortex’

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What the hell is an extinction vortex? The article refuses to define it, despite scare-quoting the term itself..

>“Individual lions face horrible deaths from car collisions or rat poison, while their populations become increasingly isolated and inbred in ever-shrinking islands of habitat hemmed by freeways and sprawl.”

Is this it? It doesn't really fit the name that well..

Re: California’s mountain lion faces ‘extinction vortex’

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I lived in California my whole life before moving to Arizona about twenty years ago. I saw a mountain lion in Carlsbad California right before we moved. It was standing next busy College Avenue waiting for a break in traffic, then trotted across the street. Now living in the mountains of Central Arizona, there is more potential for seeing them. We have had tracks under our deck and very early in the morning I saw one…

> Mountain lions can pose a real threat to small children, so literally, pick up your kids with you if you see a mountain close by.

While not awful advice, it's also vastly overblowing the true (nonexistent) danger mountain lions pose.

Mountain lions are one of the smallest threats imaginable to anyone, small children included. 99.99% of people will never ever ever even be fortunate enough to see a mountain lion in the wild.

If you do see a mountain lion up close, it's because either you surprised it (extremely unlikely) or because it wants you to see it (slightly less likely). If you and a kid are being hunted by a mountain lion (unbelievably unlikely) you'll likely never see it until it's too late.

Do not let anyone ever tell you that mountain lions pose any kind of real threat to humans. Mountain lions are responsible for ones of attacks on humans over a period of years, if not decades. It'd be like saying to watch out for the threat of getting hit by lightning while winning the lottery.

Re: California’s mountain lion faces ‘extinction vortex’

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post #6

What the hell is an extinction vortex? The article refuses to define it, despite scare-quoting the term itself.. >“Individual lions face horrible deaths from car collisions or rat poison, while their populations become increasingly isolated and inbred in ever-shrinking islands of habitat hemmed by freeways and sprawl.” Is this it? It doesn't really fit the name that well..

I took it as a scary-sounding version of "downward spiral".

Re: California’s mountain lion faces ‘extinction vortex’

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post #6

What the hell is an extinction vortex? The article refuses to define it, despite scare-quoting the term itself.. >“Individual lions face horrible deaths from car collisions or rat poison, while their populations become increasingly isolated and inbred in ever-shrinking islands of habitat hemmed by freeways and sprawl.” Is this it? It doesn't really fit the name that well..

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Re: California’s mountain lion faces ‘extinction vortex’

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I lived in California my whole life before moving to Arizona about twenty years ago. I saw a mountain lion in Carlsbad California right before we moved. It was standing next busy College Avenue waiting for a break in traffic, then trotted across the street. Now living in the mountains of Central Arizona, there is more potential for seeing them. We have had tracks under our deck and very early in the morning I saw one…

> Mountain lions can pose a real threat to small children, so literally, pick up your kids with you if you see a mountain close by. While not awful advice, it's also vastly overblowing the true (nonexistent) danger mountain lions pose. Mountain lions are one of the smallest threats imaginable to anyone, small children included. 99.99% of people will never ever ever even be fortunate enough to see a mountain lion in t…

I live in CA near Santa Cruz and we have had mountain lions in our backyard.

I've seen them close up and was not scared for the reasons you mentioned, it wanted to be seen. I had a slightly scarier incident where I was hissed at from thick bushes by a mountain lion that I couldn't see, but I left and the lion did not follow.

It's extremely common in our area for lions to attack and kill small dogs and livestock. For that reason, there aren't many people that appreciate preserving these animals even though there have been no recorded attacks on humans in our area.

Bears used to be common in the area too, but were hunted to extinction hundreds of years ago and the ecosystem adapted and survived.

If lions weren't here there are lots of people who would definitely hunt to keep the population down.

I think people overestimate the danger of lions to people, but also overestimate the environmental impact if they left.

But overall I know many people who have seen lions up close or been followed while hiking and everyone ended up being safe.

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