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Re: Bottle: A Bitcoin SV Browser

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Post by Kinnard »

dang wrote: post #70

Commenters have objected that this is BitcoinSV rather than Bitcoin, so I put SV in the title above. I don't actually know what that means, so let me know if I got something wrong.

Most people don't know what they're talking about, they're easily swayed by crowd dynamics, you should look into it dang and see for yourself. Bitcoin (sv) is Bitcoin. That's distinct from an assertion that it is superior to what currently trades under the BTC ticker. But it's probably that too.

There's a really high noise to signal ratio right now, I'd love to see how this comment ages over time.

Re: Bottle: A Bitcoin SV Browser

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Post by shilch »

kinghajj wrote: post #78
shilch wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It uses "Bitcoin" to refer to the protocol, not the BTC network. People fought about the name "Bitcoin" for ages and everybody has their own opinion about this topic. The network that you refer to as Bitcoin has forked several times as well and least resembles the original protocol and idea when compared to BCH or BSV. OTOH the market values it the highest. > Someone created a block chain and network for mass data st…

Except for an early hard fork due to a transaction verification bug that allowed for infinite Bitcoins to be created, the main Bitcoin chain, as implemented by the Bitcoin Core client, has never forked, to my knowledge. It also seems disingenuous to claim that it doesn't resemble the original protocol, when the block size cap that the forks adjust, was put into place by Satoshi himself.

BTC hard forked twice (or thrice if you count the one accidental hard fork) and soft forked a dozens of times. Claiming that BTC is the "main chain" is misleading. The main chain is dead for years; run the original bitcoin client, it won't sync up.

Re: Bottle: A Bitcoin SV Browser

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Post by shilch »

kinghajj wrote: post #126
onion-soup wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bitcoin core altered the protocol by removing instant transactions and adding segwit. So it’s not bitcoin anymore

"Removing instant transactions?" Do you mean "the GUI shows 0-conf transactions as pending?" And why does adding Segwit make it "not bitcoin anymore"? Further, the Bitcoin Core devs didn't alter the protocol, the miners and users did by using the voting mechanism to enable Segwit, entirely of their own volition.

> Do you mean "the GUI shows 0-conf transactions as pending?

It's not just GUI but also a miner policy which can break the use of BTC as cash - as it was originally intended.

> And why does adding Segwit make it "not bitcoin anymore"?

It's an ugly addition to the original protocol that among others breaks the definition of a coin as a chain of digital signatures. This might lead to legal issues as some people (including lawyers) pointed out.

Re: Bottle: A Bitcoin SV Browser

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Post by dang »

verroq wrote: post #103
dang wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, have a space. Anything else?

Looks like a lot of new accounts astroturfing this submission? They are coming from here: https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoincashSV/comments/c5eg27/its_t...

Ok, we've closed the thread to new accounts for now.

Re: Bottle: A Bitcoin SV Browser

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Post by voodoosurfer »

CryptoPunk wrote: post #111
onion-soup wrote: post #97

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Stop spreading misinformation. Bitcoin SV is restoration of the original protocol. BSV can do thousands of transactions per second whereas btc can do only 4. They both share same blockchain until 2017. Now think again, what will real businesses choose, a crippled fake bitcoin (btc) or massively scalable real bitcoin (bsv)?

Bitcoin SV is not Bitcoin. It looks like a sophisticated attempt to co-opt "Satoshi's Vision", and in doing so, delegitimize real contenders to BTC, like Bitcoin Cash. The rhetoric used to promote Bitcoin SV is very similar to that used to promote Bitcoin Cash, but it also adds a lot of anti-cypherpunk arguments like anonymity being criminal, censorship being in line with the original purpose of Bitcoin, and Bitcoin…

Who cares? It's all BitCoin. Bottle is cool. Unwriter is cool. Everything you said is just political mumbo jumbo that has nothing to do with BitCoin and everything to do with the ideological neuroses of the BTC developers.

Nobody uses BTC seriously besides criminals and hobbyists. You can't blame them for making a more efficient version of the same system.

Re: Bottle: A Bitcoin SV Browser

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Post by satuenpoo »

shilch wrote: post #68
Dense_Body wrote: post #61

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You are correct but it actually could not be run on BTC or BCH because of changes that were made to them that make them incompatible with the design laid out in the protocol whitepaper. It also would be prohibitively expensive to do so due to the block size limitations they have in place.

In theory it could work on BTC or BCH. Bottle relies on large OP_RETURN which is a miner-adjustable limit, not consensus. But in practice you (1) would need to find a miner to do this. (2) could only put in 1MB of data on BTC. (3) would have to pay a lot of satoshis (as you pointed out).

It cannot work on BCH because of the changes with CTOR they introduces last year in November 15.

This also cannot work on BTC because it is unable to grow the block size.

The original Bitcoin is the SV chain.

Re: Bottle: A Bitcoin SV Browser

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Post by satuenpoo »

kinghajj wrote: post #126
onion-soup wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bitcoin core altered the protocol by removing instant transactions and adding segwit. So it’s not bitcoin anymore

"Removing instant transactions?" Do you mean "the GUI shows 0-conf transactions as pending?" And why does adding Segwit make it "not bitcoin anymore"? Further, the Bitcoin Core devs didn't alter the protocol, the miners and users did by using the voting mechanism to enable Segwit, entirely of their own volition.

SegWit changes the system from a "chain of digital signatures" to a "chain of hashes (witnesses)"

The white paper and original protocol is crystal clear that a "Bitcoin is a chain of digital signatures"

Re: Bottle: A Bitcoin SV Browser

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Post by voodoosurfer »

nivexous wrote: post #67
phaser wrote: post #49

Please note this is hosted on the BitcoinSV (BSV) network, which is not the same as the Bitcoin network that we all know as BTC. BitcoinSV has much bigger blocks than Bitcoin, which is probably why this idea is possible. While the same idea could be applied for the original Bitcoin network, that is far more popular, it would be highly impractical as blocks are smaller and transaction costs are higher. I don't want to…

I'm reminded of a question Peter Thiel asks founders: What is one thing you believe that nearly everybody else disagrees with you on? Having a good answer means you might be onto something big. Everyone building on BSV has a pretty good answer right now.

Totally!

BSV is the pure capitalist, maximalist version of the BitCoin experiment. If they're correct and it works, things are going to get very interesting soon.

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