Wouldn’t this cause issues like drug dealers?
San Francisco Becomes First U.S. City to Pass an E-Cigarette Ban
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#312Yes, only alcohol is good for the proles
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Yes, but adults also really like candy flavors. Should we no longer be permitted by the state to drink mojitos or Moscow mules because they also happen to be delicious? You also did not provide a response to the text you quoted. Why does having kids, or knowing that they like candy flavors, mean that all flavored things are aimed at children?
> mojitos or Moscow mules When kids start demanding moscow mules, I'll give them a free copper cup.
Moscow Mule premixed bottles were one of the first alcopops in the UK
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#314Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's also worth noting that the unpopularity of cigarettes preceded the rise of vaping by several years. So it felt like the problem was finally being solved for a while.
The biggest issue with cigarettes was the cancer risk. Vaping is much lower risk (if any) for cancer. So even if people just swap smoking for vaping, a HUGE problem was solved.
While I agree the cancer risk is probably lower... I don't think we really know what the true cancer risk is for vaping yet, let alone the risk for other cardiovascular diseases like COPD and popcorn lung.
This product hasn't existed for very long, so long term studies just don't exist yet.
That said, there is some research that suggest caution is at least still warranted: https://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/smoking-facts/impact-of-e-...
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#315Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, but adults also really like candy flavors. Should we no longer be permitted by the state to drink mojitos or Moscow mules because they also happen to be delicious? You also did not provide a response to the text you quoted. Why does having kids, or knowing that they like candy flavors, mean that all flavored things are aimed at children?
> mojitos or Moscow mules When kids start demanding moscow mules, I'll give them a free copper cup.
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I don't entirely understand the attacks on e-cigs and vaping. 1) e-cigs/vaping is safer with less carcinogens going into lungs. That will lead to less health issues down the line. Even if kids are getting them, which they shouldn't because it is sold in an age limited regulated market, it is still safer than cigarettes and a regulated market with good production is always safer than an unregulated black market. 2) va…
It's quite simple. Not smoking at all > vaping > cigarettes. Massive progress has been made in getting kids not to take up smoking. If you're a smoker, switching to vaping is a good thing. If you're not, it's a bad thing.
I picked up a refillable cart with two flavors, tobacco and blueberry. Maybe it wasn't the highest quality kit, but I still prefer the occasional pipe tobacco over vaping.
I took a long time deciding to try vaping. I've never liked cigarettes, cigars are a rare thing for me, and I usually let my pipe tobacco go stale. I was still quite worried about trying vaping regardless. I had the same worries you elude too. Vaping nicotine put the nail in the coffin for the idea that I'll start consuming tobacco addictively.
I have a completely different experience with cannabis BTW.
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#318Earlier quoted context omitted.
This reminds me of the right wing stance on sex education. Abstinence > safe sex > unsafe sex Yes, the first is desirable, but let’s be serious, it’s not a reasonable goal for most people.
That's a silly comparison. Smoking's been in a very successful decades-long decline due to public policy interventions. "Not smoking" is an entirely reasonable goal for most people.
Vaping isn’t smoking.
And my point was, teenagers are always going to use mind altering substances. Vaping is a mind altering substance.
People don’t like kids vaping because sobriety is the goal. And I’m saying that’s unrealistic.
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#319Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm an adult and I also really like candy. I have no interest in tobacco or nicotine, but I've considered getting tasty non-nicotine vape flavors because a zero-calorie alternative to actual candy might help in much the same way that non-tobacco vaping is a healthier alternative to smoking.
Forgive me for taking this rabbit trail to the limit...I also love candy...and a couple years ago I stop eating it entirely and switched to hot tea. For $0.10 you can have endless flavors, real health benefits, and as much as you want. Anyway...cheers. :)
Just an FYI in case people don't know, tea often has plenty of caffeine in it, and many tisanes/blends/etc will have sugar in them as well.
So if you're trying to avoid caffeine or sugar you need to be careful when choosing your teas.
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In Australia too - most people I know just buy undeclared cigarettes. Almost all international students that travel into the country bring a bunch of cartons with them and sell them at $10-$15/packet. It's a way for the international students to make a bit more money given how fucked over they are by the lack of working rights they have, coupled with the ridiculously high cost of living and expensive education costs.…
Increasing prices has (surprisingly, give it's price inelasticity) worked in decreasing smoking rates. Here is the evidence of the public health meaures: https://www.health.gov.au/internet/publications/publishing.n...
I'm not a data scientist, but that downwards slope started twenty years before the 2010 tobacco excise and continuing to fall is a culmination of years upon years of education.