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San Francisco Becomes First U.S. City to Pass an E-Cigarette Ban

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Post by staticautomatic »

slg wrote: post #55
llamataboot wrote: post #15

All prohibition is asinine but this has to take the cake. Even if there is no way to prevent more kids from getting addicted to vaping (and that's a big if), having less kids and many less adults smoking cigarettes is such a huge win for public health. -- Anecdotally I went from 2 packs a day to chain vaping for a few years, health improved enough to start being much more active, finally weaned down nicotine, quittin…

Would you support methadone being freely available over the counter? After all, it is a valuable tool in helping get people off more dangerous opioids.

Why not? Heroin is essentially decriminalized in SF. I work in Civic Center and watch cops casually walk and drive past people actively shooting up every single day.

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Post by WalterSear »

kaycebasques wrote: post #36

The HN response seems strongly negative so far. Can someone educated in the space play devil’s advocate and share ideas on why it might be a good move?

It's been adopted massively by teenagers.

That said, this is 100% showboating for the 'family friendly' schmoe vote. There is absolutely nothing they can do to prevent online purchases.

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Post by kortilla »

ladberg wrote: post #81
JamesBarney wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There has been an increase in vaping, but the health benefits of vaping instead of smoking are so large that they swamp the ill health effects from increased vaping unless you get 20 new vapers for each person who quits smoking. In this debate people really underestimate how bad smoking is for you. UK NHS estimates e-cigarettes about 95% less damaging than smoking. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/vaping-qui…

Anecdotally, I (as a college student) know more than 20x the number of people who vape than people who smoke. Smoking is bad, but vaping is becoming incredibly mainstream with young people to the point where it's a bigger health risk.

everyone vaping is better than the previous numbers of smokers. I don’t think you’re really grasping the difference.

Without vaping, that smoking rate would probably be 1/6 people, which is worse than everyone vaping.

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Post by SomeOldThrow »

phil248 wrote: post #78
hollerith wrote: post #59

From the article: ``illegal . . . for online retailers to ship the goods to San Francisco addresses." Does anyone know how the government of SF would enforce that on an online retailer not based in SF? Tell them they've been fined, then sue them in state court if they don't pay?

The idea that my local government is telling me I can't have a perfectly legal product delivered to my home is infuriating.

You can easily buy juul pods off the street in the mission. I'm guessing that's gonna become a booming business.

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Post by r00fus »

munk-a wrote: post #23
llamataboot wrote: post #15

All prohibition is asinine but this has to take the cake. Even if there is no way to prevent more kids from getting addicted to vaping (and that's a big if), having less kids and many less adults smoking cigarettes is such a huge win for public health. -- Anecdotally I went from 2 packs a day to chain vaping for a few years, health improved enough to start being much more active, finally weaned down nicotine, quittin…

I am happy that's worked out for you - and e-cigs are definitely less dangerous than conventional cigarettes, but the adoption rate of smoking among younger folks has spiked since flavoured e-cigs were introduced. I really want vapes to be available as an alternative to conventional smoking but the companies pushing them now are addicting a lot of new users, if the market participants were more responsible these devi…

I work with someone who's crusaded against e-cigs and part of the reason the ban was put in place was that JUUL was making kid-desired flavors like "candy corn" and "unicorn milk".

E-cigs are essentially a very addictive substance (Nicotine) and a bunch of unregulated (and unreported) substances + flavor.

They're also disguised as usb-keys and hard to detect (not like a cigarette).

I'm sure SF lobbied with JUUL before laying down the ban-hammer.

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Post by kortilla »

munk-a wrote: post #23
llamataboot wrote: post #15

All prohibition is asinine but this has to take the cake. Even if there is no way to prevent more kids from getting addicted to vaping (and that's a big if), having less kids and many less adults smoking cigarettes is such a huge win for public health. -- Anecdotally I went from 2 packs a day to chain vaping for a few years, health improved enough to start being much more active, finally weaned down nicotine, quittin…

I am happy that's worked out for you - and e-cigs are definitely less dangerous than conventional cigarettes, but the adoption rate of smoking among younger folks has spiked since flavoured e-cigs were introduced. I really want vapes to be available as an alternative to conventional smoking but the companies pushing them now are addicting a lot of new users, if the market participants were more responsible these devi…

Smoking isn’t vaping.

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Post by scarejunba »

0x70dd wrote: post #89

Almost 2 years ago I saw a comment on HN from a guy who quit smoking after reading Alan Carr's "The Easy Way". As a person who was heavily addicted, often smoking more than a pack a day, struggling to quit for good, I decided to read the book. It did wonders - for almost 2 years I haven't smoked and I don't miss it. It also helped friends to whom I recommended the book. I wanted to drop a comment here in case I can i…

A friend of mine who I was hounding for years to quit got this book six months ago and quit. Then he gave it to his dad and he quit. I was fortunate enough to quit six years ago but it sounds like this book is really transformative. I haven’t read it myself, only seen these effects.

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Post by Forbo »

joshanderson wrote: post #107
bjackman wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is only a problem with the cheaper Zuul-style units, which use disposable parts with vendor lock-in. Even with those, I'd not automatically believe that they are more polluting than cigarette butts.

Most ecigs are the cheaper disposable kind.

The vast majority of people I know that vape use refillable tanks. Is there some source you can point to that backs up the "most" claim?
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