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Medicalising everyday life doesn't help anyone's mental health

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Re: Medicalising everyday life doesn't help anyone's mental health

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I think you're right to question. The rule of thumb I've heard, which seems sensible to me, is is the condition/symptom negatively affecting your ability to go about your day-to-day life . If not, then whatever you're experiencing is probably "normal enough". There's no great mass of people with completely by-the-book mental processes; everyone's a little "weird" in some way. On the other hand, I suppose you may not…

> is the condition/symptom negatively affecting your ability to go about your day-to-day life I wonder though, is this even too broad? Perhaps people need to overcome some of this adversity. Not everything is painless in life nor should it be.

Part of the point is that it's not something you're overcoming. If you're worried about it, but you do it anyway, you still have the ability to go about your life.

When my anxiety was super bad (before therapy and medication), there were weeks when I was too anxious to go to the grocery store and started skipping dinner because there wasn't any food in the house. I hadn't seen a dentist in 8 years because my phone anxiety was too high to make an appointment - and my social anxiety was terrified that they'd be mean to me about my teeth.

I'm doing much better now, but there are still some times that my anxiety acts as a total blocker to something I have to (or sincerely want to) do.

Re: Medicalising everyday life doesn't help anyone's mental health

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Well, first of all, only certain professionals are licensed to administer those tests, and for good reason, because otherwise people would self-diagnose too much or too little. > […] I don't consider myself to have anxiety. Everyone has anxiety. Some people have anxiety disorders. > Isn't it normal to be anxious in stressful situations […] People with anxiety disorders are anxious in normal, non-stressful situations.…

What is the penalty for mistakes for those "certain professionals"? What are the incentives when they make decisions?

In general you are not penalized for mistakes but for failing to provide the standard of reasonable care. There are various penalties for failing to provide this level of care, including revocation of your license or exposure to malpractice suits (for which you would carry insurance). In the US this varies from state to state so you would want to talk to an expert in your state if you want details.

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I couldn't get a vitamin B12 injection, the materials cost of which is less than £1 with no negative side effects, more often than every 12 weeks from my doctor. Despite feeling awful at 8 weeks onwards, to the point of not being able to work, and better again every time I had the injection. I didn't care if it was placebo (although why it would be placebo at 8 weeks but deemed not a placebo at 12 weeks I struggle to…

Curious, why do you need an injection? I thought only vegans had issues with B12, and only if they weren't paying attention to what they ate.

Re: Medicalising everyday life doesn't help anyone's mental health

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It is sad that British society is losing the belief in a stiff upper lip.

I think it is becoming accepted to make excuses everywhere. For individuals and groups, it is now seen as as okay to not to aim higher.

There are so many hard working people who were never handed anything, have actual physical disabilities, and they still work extreme hours to take care of their families and not be a burden.

I always think of how we construct Kobayashi Marus to tell ourselves and others that there are no-win scenarios, in some odd attempt to justify limiting ourselves to only grim options and schadenfreude for those who fail to echo acceptance.

What if this belief in a gritty realpolitik is an excuse for not wanting to think harder to achieve what is right? That individuals and groups willingly believe in a local maxima, because the hill climbing required to get the right outcome is accepted as fantasy?

Re: Medicalising everyday life doesn't help anyone's mental health

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Alternative take: some mental illnesses, anxiety disorders in particular, are exacerbated by knowledge of them and their immediate effects. Anxiety is much easier to deal with when you're not anxious about the fact that you are or will be anxious.

Maintaining a "stiff upper lip" means learning to ignore unpleasant symptoms, which can both reduce their frequency and severity. There is usefulness in "manning up", to use an increasingly unpopular turn of phrase. I disagree with the increasingly common idea that suppressing one's negative emotions is generally harmful.

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Author seemed to have some valid points - issues that are part of the normal healing process are being diagnosed & treated via antidepressants. The part I'm not so sure I agree with is the "system is too jammed up so don't come," sentiment. I think if someone is having a hard time & they want to reach out to a medical professional that's probably for the best. Unfortunately that does shift the burden onto the system…

He's talking from the perspective of the UK, where he is a physician. The public health system in the UK has been under extreme and increasing stress. It's underfunded, understaffed, overburdened, and things are getting worse.

In a related article [1], it was mentioned that 70% of children with mental issues do not receive treatment because lack of resources - high rates of mental illness mean there's simply not enough healthcare to go around. Even those that do receive treatment end up facing "unacceptably long waits." The current ambitious goal in restructuring the system would still leave some 65% of those with diagnosed medical conditions, without treatment. Wiki also has a number of decent citations for further information. [2]

When things are provided through public funding there is an obligation of society to ensure that they are utilized in a sustainable way. If that obligation is not met, the systems become, quite tautologically, unsustainable.

[1] - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/mental-health-cris...

[2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Health_Service#Fundin...

Re: Medicalising everyday life doesn't help anyone's mental health

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It is sad that British society is losing the belief in a stiff upper lip. I think it is becoming accepted to make excuses everywhere. For individuals and groups, it is now seen as as okay to not to aim higher. There are so many hard working people who were never handed anything, have actual physical disabilities, and they still work extreme hours to take care of their families and not be a burden. I always think of h…

What's your point? Is your thesis that those with mental illness make excuses everywhere?

Re: Medicalising everyday life doesn't help anyone's mental health

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, first of all, only certain professionals are licensed to administer those tests, and for good reason, because otherwise people would self-diagnose too much or too little. > […] I don't consider myself to have anxiety. Everyone has anxiety. Some people have anxiety disorders. > Isn't it normal to be anxious in stressful situations […] People with anxiety disorders are anxious in normal, non-stressful situations.…

I don't think this was intended as a general purpose argument against ever treating mood disorders. Rather, the parent comment is describing the fact that anxiety and depression are conflated with their corresponding disorders too often. I can somewhat relate from experience: I went to a doctor for terrible trouble sleeping, to the point that it was affecting my physical health, that we assumed was caused by anxiety/…

How did you fix your sleep problem? And if they both disappeared at the same time, how can you be certain that your not the one mixing up cause and effect?

Re: Medicalising everyday life doesn't help anyone's mental health

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, first of all, only certain professionals are licensed to administer those tests, and for good reason, because otherwise people would self-diagnose too much or too little. > […] I don't consider myself to have anxiety. Everyone has anxiety. Some people have anxiety disorders. > Isn't it normal to be anxious in stressful situations […] People with anxiety disorders are anxious in normal, non-stressful situations.…

I don't think this was intended as a general purpose argument against ever treating mood disorders. Rather, the parent comment is describing the fact that anxiety and depression are conflated with their corresponding disorders too often. I can somewhat relate from experience: I went to a doctor for terrible trouble sleeping, to the point that it was affecting my physical health, that we assumed was caused by anxiety/…

> Rather, the parent comment is describing the fact that anxiety and depression are conflated with their corresponding disorders too often.

Agreed, and I would say that the answer to this is to have the licensed professionals guide the diagnosis. Don’t just self-diagnose or read a Wikipedia page and think you have an anxiety disorder. (It’s a good starting point and you can take your self-diagnosis to a psych{olog,iatr}ist and explain why you think you have a particular disorder.)

You hit the nail on the head with poor communication between generalists and specialists. This is why it looks like drugs are the first line of defense—because you went to the doctor first. If you had gone to a therapist first, the first line of defense would have been therapy. The doctor understands medication as a lever that they can pull, they can guide you through the process of finding a medication that alleviates your symptoms without bad side effects, and do it all safely. The doctor generally doesn’t understand the process of therapy or its outcomes because it’s not something they administer (except some psychiatrists). I would add that the side effects of modern antidepressants are surprisingly manageable.

This is reasonable to me. Like if you have complaints about your husband and talk to a divorce lawyer, you’ll get a different set of recommendations than if you go to your therapist, your best friend, some strangers online, or a priest.

Sleep problems in particular are troublesome, because so often they are caused by a complex set of factors that we have varying degrees of control over. The doctor’s ability to prescribe you medicine is one of the very limited number of ways that the doctor can help you get sleep. The other ways to help you get sleep might involve moving, modifying your house/apartment, changing your daily habits regarding exercise/eating/alcohol/screen use, therapy, accommodations at work, or a hundred other things.

I could just as easily diagnose myself with “having a crappy boss” and switch jobs, but the doctor (usually) won’t tell you to switch jobs. That treatment option comes with a hell of a lot of side effects, too.

> [1] Turns out it was the other way around: consistently not sleeping causes some pretty crappy psychological problems

That may be the case for you, but psychological problems do cause sleep problems for many people (including myself). There’s often some positive feedback loop / death spiral involved in any ongoing problem.

Re: Medicalising everyday life doesn't help anyone's mental health

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post #34

It is sad that British society is losing the belief in a stiff upper lip. I think it is becoming accepted to make excuses everywhere. For individuals and groups, it is now seen as as okay to not to aim higher. There are so many hard working people who were never handed anything, have actual physical disabilities, and they still work extreme hours to take care of their families and not be a burden. I always think of h…

What's your point? Is your thesis that those with mental illness make excuses everywhere?

My point is that excuses are being legitimized.
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