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Re: Google To Invest Millions in Palestine

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Post by Samuel_Michon » Mon, Dec 20, 2010, 7:42 PM UTC

VB6_Forever wrote: post #60

Samuel_Michon wrote: post #57

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My point is that it's unclear to whom the land belongs. By saying that Israel 'occupies' the region it seems like you've already decided. Jews, Christians and Muslims all have their roots in the region. I believe they should all be able to live there, with a government that respects all faiths. For devout Christians and Jews, it's very difficult to live in Middle Eastern countries other than Israel. Furthermore, you…

Do you have similar doubts as to the ownership of Israel? I think it's pretty clear that the West Bank belongs to the people who live there, the people commonly referred to as the Palestinians. It certainly shouldn't belong to the people living next door in Israel or to whomever they allow under the protection of Israeli military force to establish settlements there.

"Do you have similar doubts as to the ownership of Israel?"

Israel is open to all, it has freedom of religion, a constitution, and elected officials. Compare that to the other countries in the Middle East.

"I think it's pretty clear that the West Bank belongs to the people who live there, the people commonly referred to as the Palestinians."

- One quarter of the people living in the West Bank are Jewish.

- The majority of all people living in the West Bank have lived there for less than three generations.

- We can't even agree on the definition of what a 'palestinian' is.

Re: Google To Invest Millions in Palestine

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Post by VB6_Forever » Mon, Dec 20, 2010, 11:18 PM UTC

Samuel_Michon wrote: post #61

VB6_Forever wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have similar doubts as to the ownership of Israel? I think it's pretty clear that the West Bank belongs to the people who live there, the people commonly referred to as the Palestinians. It certainly shouldn't belong to the people living next door in Israel or to whomever they allow under the protection of Israeli military force to establish settlements there.

"Do you have similar doubts as to the ownership of Israel?" Israel is open to all, it has freedom of religion, a constitution, and elected officials. Compare that to the other countries in the Middle East. "I think it's pretty clear that the West Bank belongs to the people who live there, the people commonly referred to as the Palestinians." - One quarter of the people living in the West Bank are Jewish. - The majori…

So the people who left Israel in 1948 and who now live with their descendants in refugee camps in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank are free to return to Israel?

What percentage of the population of the West Bank were Jewish in 1967? The proper term for what's going on is colonisation or perhaps plantation.

If you're correct about the the majority of the West Bank population being there for less than 3 generations, then I can give you 2 reasons for this. 1: The former residents of that part of Palestine that became Israel who upon the formation of the state moved to the West Bank. 2: The increase in the Jewish population.

Re: Google To Invest Millions in Palestine

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Post by Samuel_Michon » Tue, Dec 21, 2010, 12:28 AM UTC

VB6_Forever wrote: post #62

Samuel_Michon wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Do you have similar doubts as to the ownership of Israel?" Israel is open to all, it has freedom of religion, a constitution, and elected officials. Compare that to the other countries in the Middle East. "I think it's pretty clear that the West Bank belongs to the people who live there, the people commonly referred to as the Palestinians." - One quarter of the people living in the West Bank are Jewish. - The majori…

So the people who left Israel in 1948 and who now live with their descendants in refugee camps in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank are free to return to Israel? What percentage of the population of the West Bank were Jewish in 1967? The proper term for what's going on is colonisation or perhaps plantation. If you're correct about the the majority of the West Bank population being there for less than 3 generations, the…

First you reject my data as 'ancient history', then you come up with your own arbitrary points in time to measure who should be allowed to live in the region. With that, your definition of the term 'palestinian', and your characterization of Jewish presence as 'occupation' and 'plantation', it's become clear where you stand. You think Jews and Christians have no right to live in the Middle East, and that leaves us with nothing to discuss.

Re: Google To Invest Millions in Palestine

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Post by VB6_Forever » Tue, Dec 21, 2010, 1:19 PM UTC

Samuel_Michon wrote: post #63

VB6_Forever wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the people who left Israel in 1948 and who now live with their descendants in refugee camps in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank are free to return to Israel? What percentage of the population of the West Bank were Jewish in 1967? The proper term for what's going on is colonisation or perhaps plantation. If you're correct about the the majority of the West Bank population being there for less than 3 generations, the…

First you reject my data as 'ancient history', then you come up with your own arbitrary points in time to measure who should be allowed to live in the region. With that, your definition of the term 'palestinian', and your characterization of Jewish presence as 'occupation' and 'plantation', it's become clear where you stand. You think Jews and Christians have no right to live in the Middle East, and that leaves us wi…

Who do you think you are, Sigmund Freud? Of course Jews and Christians have a right to live in the Middle East. I hope you are not an Israeli and if you are that you belong to the lunatic fringe.