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The BS-Industrial Complex of Phony A.I.

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Re: The BS-Industrial Complex of Phony A.I.

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Maybe that's exactly the point she was trying to make :-)

With 90% of modern art, the "point they're trying to make" is whatever is the most convenient at the occasion. For the artists themselves rarely know as modern art is as much a BS-industrial complex as the AI.

How To Deconstruct Almost Anything

My Postmodern Adventure

by Chip Morningstar chip@netcom.com 5-July-1993

"Academics get paid for being clever, not for being right." - Donald Norman

https://www.donhopkins.com/home/catalog/text/decon.html

Re: The BS-Industrial Complex of Phony A.I.

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I'm doing a bit of hiring at the moment. It's hard to find a single CV which doesn't have some kind of machine learning slant. As much as I think there are plenty of advances in ML left to take, I doubt every graduate will step out into a good application for existing machine learning tools.

Does your job description list machine learning as a requirement? If so, there's your problem. Maybe a chat with HR may be in order.

Maybe the problem is that HR is using machine learning to filter the resumes.

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There is a massive positive, though, for the 'geeks building the future": AI is where everyone else is looking. If you know where you should be looking, you have a decisive advantage over the rest of the market.

Doesn’t your last sentence go for literally everything?

Everything but the inevitable AI winter to come. :)

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Self-driving cars may be safer than manually driven cars in certain contexts. What's missing from AI is reliability. It's brittle, it works well in some situations and not at all in others. Which is a problem, because you can never be sure how well it's working for you. There's no anti-Dunning-Kruger-function to say "I'm sorry Dave, I can't handle this, you should take over" - partly because that's not something you…

Unfortunately any AI systems will encounter the verification dilemma, the more powerful an AI system becomes, the less verifiable it would be.

Bad AI will suffer from the Dunning-Kruger effect and overestimate its abilities, while good AI will suffer from Imposter Syndrome and underestimate its abilities.

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> What’s being sold is software that helps make optimal decision using data Doesn't this apply to virtually all software?

In an extremely reductionist sense, maybe. Do I use Microsoft Word to automate decision making? No. Does Facebook help me make important life choices? Heh. How about this: Amazon.com is not AI, but their recommendation engine is.

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In 1949, some years after the invention of neural networks, Norbert Weiner, one of the leading minds of the time, was convinced that AI (AGI as you may call it) or a full understanding of the brain is no more than five years away. Alan Turing thought Weiner was delusional, and that it may take as much as fifty years. Seventy years later, we are nowhere near insect-level intelligence. I don't see any fundamental barri…

>Seventy years later, we are nowhere near insect-level intelligence.

While the insects have been getting smarter!

https://www.tedmed.com/talks/show?id=7286

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/403924/spiders-...

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This happened right before the first AI Winter in the late 80s: AI (in the form of expert systems) solved a number of hard problems and was hyped as being able to solve every problem. Reality set in when we figured out: 1. It didn't scale and 2. Getting 80% of the problem solved was easy, but getting that last 20% was very, very hard. Maybe several orders of magnitude harder than the first 80%. Nowadays we don't seem…

What GOFAI technique got even close to 80% of the way? Maybe pathfinding, if I'm being particularly generous?

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What's the most difficult thing AI should be be able to solve but can not as of yet? I would say it is writing a program which writes an AI program. Why? Because it is so difficult for us to define what exactly an AI program should be able to do. This shows that we have an issue with not being able to ask the right question. If we could answer exactly what the AI should be able to do then it would be much easier to c…

We know what we want it to do, we want it to have some basic ability to think for itself. That is something we just simply can't do. Back propagation is far from a spanking for acting out of line. AI has no ability to understand it's acting like a fool or how to deal with uncertainty with emotions which cause us to act without regards to consequences and in many cases reality. It lacks understanding of what future consequences its trying to prevent such as our daily decisions to get up and go to work each morning. The AI has no understanding of it's future and the consequences of not going to work until it's fired 40,000 times for not showing up or it's children are taken from him/her/it.

I'm glad people are finally waking up to the fact that AI is not ML and AI is all hype at the moment. Google used algorithms quite effectively to adapt and learn, but they have no greater understanding of what we want, just what we and others have wanted in the past.

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I find this analysis reductionist. You're basically saying "brains aren't hard to reproduce once you have biological sensors and actuators." Why not? They're _extremely_ delicate, intricate organs. Claim 2 is also a difficult one: of course you can easily claim consciousness doesn't exist, but it is impossible to argue by logic. You need a metaphysical philosophical framework, and then it's already left the realm of…

No this is not what I am saying. I am saying it isn't some kind of magical thing going on that we can't replicate given enough technical progress and skills. Yeah sure, but so is the claim for that consciousness does exist.

It might not be magical, but I wouldn't underestimate the complexity of replicating even simple cells. We haven't been able to replicate an amoeba let alone neurons let alone a brain.
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