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The BS-Industrial Complex of Phony A.I.
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#292Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why shouldn't surrounding infrastructure adapt a bit for self-driving cars? Look at everything that had to change for railroads, cars, and airplanes. If railroads were invented today they would never be allowed. They can't stop for miles? You have to teach everyone everywhere to stay off the tracks? How's that supposed to work? It's good that our safety standards are a lot higher today for new tech, but perhaps there…
Honestly? Because I see self driving cars as expensive toys for rich people[1], and I don’t feel like spending tax dollars or making other concessions to subsidize that. I think the analogy to railroads is a bit tenuous. There are immediate benefits to connecting two sufficiently separated points with a rail line. A single stretch of properly marked and instrumented roadway is relatively worthless[1]. [1] Trucking be…
You do realize horseless carriages were also expensive toys for rich people when they were first introduced?
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#293At the Biennale in Venice (one of the most important art shows there is) I saw a work which looked like this: There was a metal frame holding two glas plates with ventian sediment inbetween (sand, soil, mud). In the center there was another metal frame which formed a hole. There also were to PCB boards with ATMEGA micro controllers. In the text the artist claimed she controlled the biome of the soil with an AI using…
Amazing! I love it!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treachery_of_Images
It's like The Treachery of Images but in reverse.
This is an AI/mind
c'est un cerveau / une intelligence artificielle
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#294At the Biennale in Venice (one of the most important art shows there is) I saw a work which looked like this: There was a metal frame holding two glas plates with ventian sediment inbetween (sand, soil, mud). In the center there was another metal frame which formed a hole. There also were to PCB boards with ATMEGA micro controllers. In the text the artist claimed she controlled the biome of the soil with an AI using…
Is this it? Biologizing the Machine (terra incognita) by artist Anicka Yi?
https://bagrifoundation.org/anicka-yi-la-biennale-di-venezia...
If this is what you are talking about, I'm disappointed that the work is crap. She also won the Hugo Boss prize in 2016. This is a highly respected award in the art world.
The art world isn't doing a good job understanding AI. Part of this is media hype causing people to be misled. Another part is the cognitive tools artists have developed to understand the world are inappropriate for understanding these technologies. For this work to be believable by technologists there would need to be some kind of demonstrable scientific rigor involved. There is none here, but people from the art world who are evaluating these things don't notice it is missing.
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#295In 1949, some years after the invention of neural networks, Norbert Weiner, one of the leading minds of the time, was convinced that AI (AGI as you may call it) or a full understanding of the brain is no more than five years away. Alan Turing thought Weiner was delusional, and that it may take as much as fifty years. Seventy years later, we are nowhere near insect-level intelligence. I don't see any fundamental barri…
> Seventy years later, we are nowhere near insect-level intelligence. That's arguable: For instance, we have the entire connectome of c. elegans mapped out; we can easily simulate it, and it seems to act the same as the actual nematode. So, in one sense, we are at that level. However, we still have no clue how such a simple system actually works to produce the level of "intelligence" it has. So in that sense, we're n…
> For instance, we have the entire connectome of c. elegans mapped out... So, in one sense, we are at that level.
Well, whatever "intelligence" C elegans has, I think everyone would agree that it's far from insect-level; it's microsocopic-nematode-level. But I am not sure a simulation of C elgans rises to the level of "artificial". As you note, we don't understand it yet. But we may have already built systems that are more "intelligent" (whatever that means) than C elegans, and we may have done that decades ago.
> From what we currently understand, as I currently understand it, we have yet to find such a mechanism that would allow for it.
True, but our path to artificial intelligence may not end up going through neural networks at all. We've not achieved flight by mimicking biological flight. I'm not saying it won't, either, but we cannot say for sure that it will. We really don't know.
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#297In 1949, some years after the invention of neural networks, Norbert Weiner, one of the leading minds of the time, was convinced that AI (AGI as you may call it) or a full understanding of the brain is no more than five years away. Alan Turing thought Weiner was delusional, and that it may take as much as fifty years. Seventy years later, we are nowhere near insect-level intelligence. I don't see any fundamental barri…
But Weiner's Cybernetics withered on the vine, or floated off into fluffy "Second Order" cybernetics. There was an experiment, I don't have the details to hand at the moment, I'm sorry, but Gordon Pask and someone else mage a cybernetics "machine" out of a dish of chemicals, and got it to grow an "ear" (filaments that were sensitive to certain sound vibrations, just like the hair cells in your inner ear)! If you real…
My point wasn't about the particular form Weiner's cybernetics ended up taking; I was only commenting on his optimism regarding neural networks in the late forties and early fifties (you can say it's about his vision of Cybernetics rather than it's actual manifestation).
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#298This happened right before the first AI Winter in the late 80s: AI (in the form of expert systems) solved a number of hard problems and was hyped as being able to solve every problem. Reality set in when we figured out: 1. It didn't scale and 2. Getting 80% of the problem solved was easy, but getting that last 20% was very, very hard. Maybe several orders of magnitude harder than the first 80%. Nowadays we don't seem…
You're always going to see #2. Use cases get marketable before they get fully solved so you'll always see pretty good but not great examples. In the mean time there are a lot of things that are solved by neural nets that we take for granted such as voice and face recognition.
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#299Earlier quoted context omitted.
What about the quantum blockchain?
What about AI-managed quantum blockchain!
The enormous quantum computer artificial intelligence augmented virtual reality blockchain at the center of the galaxy should be named "Deep Chopra".
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#300Earlier quoted context omitted.
But Weiner's Cybernetics withered on the vine, or floated off into fluffy "Second Order" cybernetics. There was an experiment, I don't have the details to hand at the moment, I'm sorry, but Gordon Pask and someone else mage a cybernetics "machine" out of a dish of chemicals, and got it to grow an "ear" (filaments that were sensitive to certain sound vibrations, just like the hair cells in your inner ear)! If you real…
My point wasn't about the particular form Weiner's cybernetics ended up taking; I was only commenting on his optimism regarding neural networks in the late forties and early fifties (you can say it's about his vision of Cybernetics rather than it's actual manifestation).
Sorry for a German's nitpicking, but it seems to be not a typo: The man's name is Wiener.