I remember HN getting up in arms about free speech when porn was banned from some sites, and a few years earlier when rape fantasy was banned from another (sorry, poor memory so I don’t remember more details). But banning pro-Trump is fine. Where are the SJWs now? Trump is an idiot, but this reveals some true bias in this (HN) community. It’s disappointing.
Ravelry, a Popular Knitting Site, Bans Pro-Trump Content
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Re: Ravelry, a Popular Knitting Site, Bans Pro-Trump Content
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
When they say "Support of the Trump administration is undeniably support for white supremacy" as if it were an undisputed fact, and without any argument at all, it really shows how they're incapable of considering an alternative worldview. To an ideologically enslaved mind it literally cannot be denied.
"Undisputed" is a needlessly strong statement, don't you think? I mean, do you agree that the Earth is not flat, and not younger than 20,000 years old? Yet there are many Flat-Earthers and Young Earth Creationists who dispute those facts. So, if I said "minimum surface distances between different cities on the Earth can be approximated using spherical trigonometry", would you then complain that I was stating that lik…
I have no problem with stating undisputed facts. The point is the claim about Trump is portrayed as undisputed, when it clearly is disputed. So if someone said "It is undeniable that the Earth is flat and anyone who supports the idea of spherical Earth is evil" then yes I'd say that person is stuck in a mindset and unwilling to consider alternatives.
Those arguments you copied are for different claims and were made by a different person.
Re: Ravelry, a Popular Knitting Site, Bans Pro-Trump Content
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
If your view is that the 60+ million Americans that voted for Trump are, in fact, really voting for white supremacy then we aren't even living in the same reality and any further discussion is completely pointless. It really hurts any credibility someone may have granted you in a conversation when you ascribe to one side of a discussion a world view that is condemned by the vast majority of that side.
When they say "Support of the Trump administration is undeniably support for white supremacy" as if it were an undisputed fact, and without any argument at all, it really shows how they're incapable of considering an alternative worldview. To an ideologically enslaved mind it literally cannot be denied.
This. The radical progressive's worldview is that our society is itself a white supremacist society - this is taken as axiomatic and a matter of definition, not as something that could be meaningfully argued about, or even be said to depend on anything concrete about the real world! Thus, by definition, any support for existing social structures (including support for President Trump!) can be rightly defined as "support for white supremacy". It's a way of thinking that's lifted straight off of, e.g. religious fundamentalism and, perhaps most significantly, the nihilist politics of the late 19th and early 20th century that ultimately led to fascism, naziism, soviet communism etc. etc.
Re: Ravelry, a Popular Knitting Site, Bans Pro-Trump Content
#24I remember HN getting up in arms about free speech when porn was banned from some sites, and a few years earlier when rape fantasy was banned from another (sorry, poor memory so I don’t remember more details). But banning pro-Trump is fine. Where are the SJWs now? Trump is an idiot, but this reveals some true bias in this (HN) community. It’s disappointing.
"Where are the SJWs now?" ??
Pardon? Usually the complaint is about SJWs who point out that a site should be free to set their own policies and decide to ban porn, rape fantasies, and white supremacist beliefs.
They then get chastised for being "politically correct" and wanting to "censor".
Opposing that SJW belief are the free speech absolutists who insist that no site should set policies restricting comment practices. Which appears to be the policy you think should happen.
Re: Ravelry, a Popular Knitting Site, Bans Pro-Trump Content
#25Shameful. It's fine to disagree with President Trump. It's fine to disagree with Democrats, too. Having an opinion is your right. But to slander and lie, and try to influence people in this way is just wrong. Let's be honest. President Trump has brought record low unemployment, rising wages, and justice reform to African Americans. His support among American Blacks has risen, not fallen. He is doing some good. Yet th…
> They turn racism from something useless into something they can use. This is what is truly 'deplorable'.
No, I'm pretty sure it's putting kids into concentration camps that's deplorable. Nice try though.
Re: Ravelry, a Popular Knitting Site, Bans Pro-Trump Content
#26Shameful. It's fine to disagree with President Trump. It's fine to disagree with Democrats, too. Having an opinion is your right. But to slander and lie, and try to influence people in this way is just wrong. Let's be honest. President Trump has brought record low unemployment, rising wages, and justice reform to African Americans. His support among American Blacks has risen, not fallen. He is doing some good. Yet th…
> They turn racism from something useless into something they can use. This is what is truly 'deplorable'. No, I'm pretty sure it's putting kids into concentration camps that's deplorable. Nice try though.
Seeing the word concentration tramp unironically being used in a current world is obscene. Where did that even come from? That cropped fake photo on twitter?
Re: Ravelry, a Popular Knitting Site, Bans Pro-Trump Content
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Trump's "white supremacist" policies: Move US Embassy to Jerusalem, acknowledge Israeli control over the Golan Heights, sign an aid package to give Israel $38B, inch towards war with Iran. That doesn't sound like a white supremacist/neo-nazi.
"Neo-nazi" is irrelevant. There's no reason to include it. The US history of white supremacy is far older than Nazism or even fascism. I feel that you're bringing up international politics in a discussion about US domestic politics is mostly meant to derail the conversation. You realize that more factors are involved than just white supremacy, right? BTW, the $38B 10-year military-assistance Memorandum of Understandi…
Its not irrelevant, because the terms white supremacist and neo-nazi have merged.
Meanwhile Netanyahu campaigns with Trump, names a town in the Golan after Trump... which violates the key characteristic of white supremacy: namely not liking Jews; ergo he is not a white supremacist
Re: Ravelry, a Popular Knitting Site, Bans Pro-Trump Content
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
> They turn racism from something useless into something they can use. This is what is truly 'deplorable'. No, I'm pretty sure it's putting kids into concentration camps that's deplorable. Nice try though.
Seeing the word concentration tramp unironically being used in a current world is obscene. Where did that even come from? That cropped fake photo on twitter?
https://www.newsweek.com/concentration-camps-alexandria-ocas...
> "Concentration camps are considered by experts as 'the mass detention of civilians without trial.'
Even without photos, we know there is mass detention of civilians without trial.
Do you deny that?
What term do you want to use? From the same link:
> We don't say 'prisons' because prisons are a part of the formal legal system," Lester Andrist, a sociologist who has studied indefinite detention, tweeted.
Or would you prefer "internment camp", like we used for Japanese Americans? From the same link:
> "I know what concentration camps are. I was inside two of them, in America. And yes, we are operating such camps again," the Takei tweeted. The Takei family was interned in Arkansas and California in the 1940s.
Or perhaps you want to reserve 'concentration camp' only for the Nazi death camps? From the same link:
> Federico Finchelstein, a historian at the New York-based New School, agreed that the progressive congresswoman is right to call the ICE facilities concentration camps.
> "As [a] historian of fascism & [the] Holocaust, I would also call these centers concentration camps," Finchelstein tweeted. "As a Jewish person who lost family in [the] Holocaust, I regret that some Republicans use memory of the Holocaust to defend racist policies of Trumpism."
From https://beta.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/06/20/concentrat... :
> A 1998 Ellis Island exhibit drew outcry from the Jewish community and others after the Japanese American National Museum titled it, “America’s Concentration Camps: Remembering the Japanese American Experience.” To the museum’s curators — and to many historians and leading Japanese American organizations today — “internment” or “relocation camps” were euphemisms for the reality of what Japanese Americans endured. President Franklin D. Roosevelt and Supreme Court justices, the museum noted, had both referred to the Japanese American camps as concentration camps.
> ... Ultimately, Jewish and Japanese American groups held meetings to reach an understanding, Schiffrin reported. The exhibit’s title stayed, but with one long footnote on the flier, making clear that it was not an attempt to directly compare the Japanese-American camps to Nazi camps.
Re: Ravelry, a Popular Knitting Site, Bans Pro-Trump Content
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Neo-nazi" is irrelevant. There's no reason to include it. The US history of white supremacy is far older than Nazism or even fascism. I feel that you're bringing up international politics in a discussion about US domestic politics is mostly meant to derail the conversation. You realize that more factors are involved than just white supremacy, right? BTW, the $38B 10-year military-assistance Memorandum of Understandi…
Its not irrelevant, because the terms white supremacist and neo-nazi have merged. Meanwhile Netanyahu campaigns with Trump, names a town in the Golan after Trump... which violates the key characteristic of white supremacy: namely not liking Jews; ergo he is not a white supremacist
Nonsense. White supremacy is the broader term. It's meaningful to characterize the (early) American Federation of Labor policies as being rooted in white supremacy. It's not meaningful to characterize them as neo-Nazis.
Several 19th century state constitutions prohibited black people from moving to them. This should be correctly understood as white supremacy. They did not prevent Jews from moving to them.
Hence those terms are distinct and have not merged for any serious discussion of the topic.
Again, foreign policy != domestic policy. Black slavers and free abolitionists opposed to each others' domestic policies, but some worked together for the foreign policy of having blacks return to Africa, in the American Colonization Society's colonization of Liberia.
Or you can see how a Christian Zionist like Pat Robertson can be both anti-Semitic and support the Jewish state.
Last I heard, "There is no budgeting, no planning, no location for a settlement, and there is no binding decision to implement the project" for that settlement, says Zvi Hauser at https://www.timesofisrael.com/no-plans-no-budget-trump-heigh... , who describes it as a publicity stunt.
Ergo, what you point out isn't really germane.
Re: Ravelry, a Popular Knitting Site, Bans Pro-Trump Content
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Undisputed" is a needlessly strong statement, don't you think? I mean, do you agree that the Earth is not flat, and not younger than 20,000 years old? Yet there are many Flat-Earthers and Young Earth Creationists who dispute those facts. So, if I said "minimum surface distances between different cities on the Earth can be approximated using spherical trigonometry", would you then complain that I was stating that lik…
I have no problem with stating undisputed facts. The point is the claim about Trump is portrayed as undisputed, when it clearly is disputed. So if someone said "It is undeniable that the Earth is flat and anyone who supports the idea of spherical Earth is evil" then yes I'd say that person is stuck in a mindset and unwilling to consider alternatives. Those arguments you copied are for different claims and were made b…
They are not saying it's undisputed. That's your interpretation.
I claim "It is undeniable that the Earth is not flat and anyone who supports the idea of spherical Earth is ignorant of the facts."
Am I stuck in a mindset and unwilling to consider alternatives?
The arguments I copied were those used by the authors of the new policy to justify their claims. That they were made by a different person is not relevant. I can point to Eratosthenes to defend my anti-flat-Earth stance, without having to write out his arguments myself.