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The BS-Industrial Complex of Phony A.I.

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Re: The BS-Industrial Complex of Phony A.I.

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"AI is the phrase behind which magic hides and people love magic. Everything that has the aura of “humans don’t fully understand how it works in detail” will be used by charlartans, snake oil salesmen and conmen." 100% this!

...that should really be quantum computing right now.

Quantum will be the next 'AI', like blockchain was the last one. :-)

Re: The BS-Industrial Complex of Phony A.I.

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>> Accidentally (?) she managed to create the best representation of AI I have seen in art: all that counts is that you call it AI even if it is a simple algorithm. Backpropagation, which most researchers will agree is an AI algorithm, is a "simple algorithm". So are many other AI algorithms, some of which are simple enough to be understood so well that most people don't recognise them as AI anymore: search algorithm…

The point was that her PCB wasn’t connected to anything at all. She claimed there were pumps and sensors, but there was literally nothing. There were cables etc and it certainly would fool someone who has no idea of circuit design and electronics, but I happen to know a bit about it and the circuit almost certainly didn’t do what it claimed it did.

That's a horrible example to call out AI.

Re: The BS-Industrial Complex of Phony A.I.

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With 90% of modern art, the "point they're trying to make" is whatever is the most convenient at the occasion. For the artists themselves rarely know as modern art is as much a BS-industrial complex as the AI.

Art is more complicated than that and your dismissive attitude misses the point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67EKAIY43kg

Art is not complicated at all. Art marketers and pseudo-artists like to make it complicated to keep the "contemporary art" scam alive and profitable.

That's because real art, like anything (engineering, piano, sports) takes years and years of hard work to perfect the skill which gives the ability to translate your ideas into something beautiful and self-explanatory (when you don't need to be expert to "understand the meaning" as it is with masters like Michelangelo).

A great example is when Henry Moore saw Michelangelo and started to cry and confessed the only reason he makes such statues is because he knows "he will never be able to create anything as beautiful as that"

Perhaps he would if instead he worked on things that are hard.

It's hilarious how modern art lives on creating documentaries, popularizing an "artist" then selling art for investment while fooling people by using shaming tactics like "you just don't understand art" or "that was not the point artist was trying to make"

If the artist has to explain her work in words he should have chosen literature as a form of expression for clearly she failed using her current means to do so.

Re: The BS-Industrial Complex of Phony A.I.

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Progress of civilization could be summarized in the slow march of BS elimination parallel with the creation of creative new forms of BS (people don't actually learn anything, they just form the same crazy opinions about something new) Strikeout "of Phony AI." The BS-Industrial Complex is huge and the rise of the Internet has made it worse by empowering the less-informed to share ideas. That is somewhat the price you…

I look at BS as an inevitable symptom of the Singularity. As we approach the capacity of human reason, fewer people are able to keep up with the world, and are therefore more susceptible to it.

I don't know, look back two thousand years and you see plenty of it. More like it's a symptom of humanity. Animals are stupid machines, humans aren't nearly as far away from them as we'd think ourselves.

Re: The BS-Industrial Complex of Phony A.I.

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> The BS-Industrial Complex of Brilliant! This is really a thing, and the computer industry is (and has always been?) rife with it.

IBM Global Services. Oracle. Accenture. Any company with 100+ employees who does consulting involving the design, implementation and maintenance of computer systems for any government bureaucracy. Is there anyone around here who thinks this industry sector is something else than industrial grade BS and if every single one of those companies disappeared overnight that we would not be in a better place as a civilizatio…

> Most of us do startups to do something more than to schmooze, threaten and ultimately bilk customers paying with other peoples money.

Do you know Theranos ? That's the definition itself of bullshit and it was a "startup". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theranos

Bullshit comes from 5000+ employees to companies with 5 dudes. Scale does not change anything.

Business culture, profit as only value and the culture of fake it until you do it are the source of the problem.

And against that their is not magic solution, excepted trust a lot less the ones that speak and trust a lot more the one that do. In the good old Nerd world, we named that Show me the code

Re: The BS-Industrial Complex of Phony A.I.

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We should be focused on designing "smart systems" that optimize measurable outcomes

Who cares how complex the algorithm is! What matters is that it works better. Is there a measurable outcome that matters? Can the system optimize that outcome over time, through a coordination of human processes and technology design?

That is what organizations need. Not hyperparameters.

Re: The BS-Industrial Complex of Phony A.I.

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If everyone sophisticated enough to be on this site would just use the term “applied computational statistics” (even just in their own thoughts) instead of “deep learning” or AI, the world would be a better place. Gradient descent finds some fun minimia (my current venture is heavily based on that idea) but to assign more agency to Adam or RMSProp than they merit is just an exercise in feeding the trolls.

There are non-statistical methods for training neural nets (no backprop) so 'applied computational statistics' really wouldn't capture it. Beyond that what is wrong with the term deep learning? I can at least understand objections to the use of the term AI (even though it was originally used to refer to narrow AI but was appropriated by hollywood) but deep learning seems like a fine term to me.

Re: The BS-Industrial Complex of Phony A.I.

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Surprisingly, recognizing a bird is much harder when you count rare species and running birds. Thus, sparse data. Does it recognize penguins too? AIs today still fail at it. Some folks were trying to train one to match endangered species and they had to pull mighty tricks to have some 70% accuracy. I think it was here on HN some time ago, but can't recall a link.

And yet, average humans can classify even fewer species.

With the same amount of training/data as NNs? I doubt it...

Re: The BS-Industrial Complex of Phony A.I.

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We might be headed for the trough of disillusionment, but in terms of technology and industry applications, we are still in the early phase of modern AI (big data + ML).

I'm doing a bit of hiring at the moment. It's hard to find a single CV which doesn't have some kind of machine learning slant. As much as I think there are plenty of advances in ML left to take, I doubt every graduate will step out into a good application for existing machine learning tools.

What are you hiring for if you don't mind?

Re: The BS-Industrial Complex of Phony A.I.

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I remember when I was a teenager: a moonless night in the woods and my bicycle light was broken. It was so dark that I literally couldn’t see my hand in front of me. I could drive (slowly) because I knew that part of the street by hard and I knew there is a gravel patch on each side of the road. So I every time I entered gravel from the left I just turned a little more to the right and vice versa. And I knew I entere…

Probably have the common sense to stop. It's a trivial test case.

And also an inferior solution.
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