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Glass discs that can store 360TB and remain intact for billions of years (2016)

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Re: Glass discs that can store 360TB and remain intact for billions of years (2016)

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Just put the instructions in a plain txt file as the first file on the disc.

you'd have to know the (physical) reading mechanism (plus encoding) to read the README.txt itself.

That's why you put the ASCII encoding as well, plus the blueprints for a digital computer capable of running EMACS to decode it.

Re: Glass discs that can store 360TB and remain intact for billions of years (2016)

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And the picture they release show the christian bible. Tells you everything you need to know about them really.

A large number of people know roughly how big The Bible is. I think they picture was more about "look, this big book fits on this little thing", and less about some perceived proselytizing.

The image is misleading anyways. The whole Bible fits in 1Mb uncompressed. That image would be billions of Bibles if it is using this new technique.

Re: Glass discs that can store 360TB and remain intact for billions of years (2016)

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Just put the instructions in a plain txt file as the first file on the disc.

you'd have to know the (physical) reading mechanism (plus encoding) to read the README.txt itself.

Well encoding is not an issue. Any civilisation who have the physical means to read the disc will be able to figure out the encoding fairly simply.

Re: Glass discs that can store 360TB and remain intact for billions of years (2016)

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Seems a bit of a waste to dedicate an entire 360TB disc to a single text document like a bible, which is probably just a few KBs... /s More seriously, they don't talk about reading capabilities (retrieval speed etc). And what if it gets scratched? What is the error tolerance? At that density, a single speck of dust could have dramatic implications... I hope this reaches industrial viability, because we desperately ne…

What if HDD platter gets scratched?

What if SSD memory gets scratched?

What if gets ?

Re: Glass discs that can store 360TB and remain intact for billions of years (2016)

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What’s wrong with the Christian bible? What is it telling me about the researchers!

Absolutely nothing. The only theory I can come up with is that GP is a snobby atheist who associates Bibles with morons.

Using the Bible could be interpreted as ‘this is one of humanitys most important works so let’s preserve that first’ Yet the majority of people on planet earth are not Christian. I’ll go with the Gutenberg homage though

Re: Glass discs that can store 360TB and remain intact for billions of years (2016)

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Im always sceptical about these claims of archive longevity. IIRC when CD-Rs were first available, they were touted as suitable for century long archives. The reality was far from that.

You can still buy archive CD-Rs rated for 300 years. That didn't prevent everyone from buying cheap crap that barely lasts 5 years before becoming unreadable.

I bought some archival CD-Rs 15 years ago and backed up a bunch of personal documents and photos. Different brands of CD-Rs too. Tested them, all worked fine. 7 years later not a single one works. I tried different drives.

It was a painful loss. I learned my lesson. Now I back everything up into at least 2 different methods: cloud + HDD. Cloud has been the most reliable so far. Some HDDs have failed (humidity killed the circuit boards).

Re: Glass discs that can store 360TB and remain intact for billions of years (2016)

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I dunno, but it seems to me universities increasingly focus on press releases and marketing departments... 5D and 13.8 billion years? Phony. I know no sane scientist or enigneer that would say they use more than 3D physics. Sounds like catch phrases to sell. With such logic plain old HDD is at least 4D, because it uses CHS coordinates and magnetic orientation, to store data. To me such communication style undermines…

A light field is typically 5D: 3D position + 2D angle. The concept dates back from 1936 according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_field

And it looks like it is the idea behind that storage medium. I haven't read the paper though so I can't really comment on whether or not it is justified to call it 5D.

Also note that 4+ dimensions are relevant even in a 3D world. For example the Lytro camera really outputs 4D light fields (2D position + 2D angle). Of course, there is nothing extradimensional about that camera, it is just a microlens network in front of a regular CCD, with processing that converts a high resolution 2D image into a low resolution 4D light field.

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