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Glass discs that can store 360TB and remain intact for billions of years (2016)

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Re: Glass discs that can store 360TB and remain intact for billions of years (2016)

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So if one of these discs was dug up by a civilization with the level of technology we had in, say, the 70's, would they be able to tell what it was, much less make something to read it?

"Hey look, I found a cool coaster!"

or

"Here we have an extremely rare ritualistic sex device, the male of the species placed this over his member before performing an elaborate dance and inserting his member into the female"

Re: Glass discs that can store 360TB and remain intact for billions of years (2016)

#82
post #41

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Just speculating, but if you can index in 5 dimensions to get your data, should it not be called 5D? data = read_bit(x, y, z, yaw, size) But i agree, i would appreciate more information if they are going to use buzz-words.

That seems more like five degrees of freedom than five dimensions.

To be the devil's advocate, it is often convenient to represent states of a system with N degrees of freedom as a subset of an N-dimensional space. For example, state space of two balls linked by a rigid rod in 3D would be seen as a 5-dimensional space.

That said, the article is heavy on marketing (13.8 billion year claim is not scientific, at least in spirit) and looks like PR department product.

Re: Glass discs that can store 360TB and remain intact for billions of years (2016)

#83
post #68

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And the picture they release show the christian bible. Tells you everything you need to know about them really.

What’s wrong with the Christian bible? What is it telling me about the researchers!

Absolutely nothing. The only theory I can come up with is that GP is a snobby atheist who associates Bibles with morons.

Re: Glass discs that can store 360TB and remain intact for billions of years (2016)

#84
post #58

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> High quality discs are capable of that, the problem is the drives to read them all broke down. What are you referring to? I assume you're not just talking about "high quality" compact discs, since we have plenty of readers for those.

The OP meant the drives would've broken down before the disks would degrade.

I think the original comment about optical disks was talking about very early formats, before CDs were standardised, such as the drives used for the Doomsday Project.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Domesday_Project

Re: Glass discs that can store 360TB and remain intact for billions of years (2016)

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Yeah, actual museum-grade archival is so much more than just having an aging-resistant media. You also need to be able to read and decode it many years into the future, which is really tricky to guarantee - you can't assume the future generations will know how to make a reading device and remember your formats/encodings. So it's a bit like unzip.zip problem.

Just put the instructions in a plain txt file as the first file on the disc.

you'd have to know the (physical) reading mechanism (plus encoding) to read the README.txt itself.

Re: Glass discs that can store 360TB and remain intact for billions of years (2016)

#86
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just speculating, but if you can index in 5 dimensions to get your data, should it not be called 5D? data = read_bit(x, y, z, yaw, size) But i agree, i would appreciate more information if they are going to use buzz-words.

That seems more like five degrees of freedom than five dimensions.

From a linear algebra point of view, there's no difference.

Neural networks used for AI are represented by N-dimensional spaces of, for example, 1024 dimensions.

Re: Glass discs that can store 360TB and remain intact for billions of years (2016)

#87

I dunno, but it seems to me universities increasingly focus on press releases and marketing departments... 5D and 13.8 billion years? Phony. I know no sane scientist or enigneer that would say they use more than 3D physics. Sounds like catch phrases to sell. With such logic plain old HDD is at least 4D, because it uses CHS coordinates and magnetic orientation, to store data. To me such communication style undermines…

It’s perfectly reasonable to say you’ve increased dimensionality when you find a new physical property to store things with. If a CHS-addressed HD tomorrow starts using opacity or depth as a way to store 2 bits in each, obviously the dimensionality has increased.

In ML, we regularly accept 100+d data (much higher for imaging applications). Even simple mechanical systems have large state vectors.

I’m a regular critic of university systems but this isn’t the university making stuff up because it sounds impressive.

(Additional evidence: one of the authors is a Microsoft employee, not an academic employed by the University of Southampton.)

Re: Glass discs that can store 360TB and remain intact for billions of years (2016)

#88
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just speculating, but if you can index in 5 dimensions to get your data, should it not be called 5D? data = read_bit(x, y, z, yaw, size) But i agree, i would appreciate more information if they are going to use buzz-words.

That seems more like five degrees of freedom than five dimensions.

What's the distinction? Wikipedia seems to think there isn't one:

"In mathematics, the dimension of an object is, roughly speaking, the number of degrees of freedom of a point that moves on this object."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimension

Re: Glass discs that can store 360TB and remain intact for billions of years (2016)

#90
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That seems more like five degrees of freedom than five dimensions.

Aren't they synonyms?

I'd rather call them parameters or indexes. Certainly not dimensions analogous to 1/2/3D.

People have been storing things in 5D on wood substrate for years. Like clothes in the closet (the 2 extra Ds might be type and color).

The terminology is clearly mean to impress the general audience that would normally not even bother to read a classic "engineering" title.

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