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Vista Is Good

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Re: Vista Is Good

#91

Post by axod »

jordyhoyt wrote: post #89
axod wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first line of the article was "As Apple fanboyism has spread throughout the tech publications". If that's not baiting I don't know what is. In actual fact a lot of articles about Apple these days are bashing them. Especially for the Macbook air. Also, I'm not really sure why Vista is relevent TBH, are people here starting up a company to write desktop apps for Vista? Do any hackers use Vista?

You say how the article is flamebaiting, yet the last line of your comment was extremely flammable. To answer your question, if it was honest: I am a hacker and I use Vista daily. I am sure I'm not alone.

Sorry if it came across as flammable, it's just not something that you hear about - startups working on vista. And all the startup photos you see are full of macs.

Re: Vista Is Good

#92

Post by axod »

mattmaroon wrote: post #88
axod wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I apologise... It's your blog, and you didn't submit it. They're your opinions and you're certainly entitled to them. However, I'd say if you want them to be taken seriously sticking to the facts is a better tactic rather than accusing everyone else of being biased.

I'm pretty sure I did stick to the facts and opinions derived from them. Vista was purchased at a rate eclipsing any other OS in history. It's being called a disaster due to corporate and consumer inertia, which would be factors even if it were the greatest OS ever built. It's stable, and a lot of people like it. It's not Microsoft's finest moment by any means. Do you really think that the press is not overly favorab…

Purchased ;) heh.. it was forced on a public who didn't want it. Do you really think that if Vista was not preloaded onto computers, just XP, that people would have actually gone out and bought Vista still?

Anyway... I think I'll sit the next round of this out. O/S wars are so over.

Re: Vista Is Good

#93

Post by mynameishere »

Hexstream wrote: post #85
mynameishere wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The notion that posting content of whatever sort onto your own web property is somehow illegitimate, to me, seems like an unhealthy notion. Further, I think "troll" is name-calling, pure and simple. Just emotion. The highest rated comment here right now consists of this: "Vista is not good." ...to me, that's a pretty worthless comment--a grammatically, orthographically, socially correct version of "Vista Blow turdz".…

"The notion that posting content of whatever sort onto your own web property is somehow illegitimate, to me, seems like an unhealthy notion." Let's put that theory to the test: "The notion that posting [spam/outright lies/defamation/deliberately inacurrate and misleading information/gratuitous hate speech] onto your own web property is somehow illegitimate, to me, seems like an unhealthy notion."

What country are you from? Just curious--most Americans, even liberals, are not quite so willing to pose the bogeyman up against free speech and property rights.

Re: Vista Is Good

#94

Post by mattmaroon »

axod wrote: post #92
mattmaroon wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure I did stick to the facts and opinions derived from them. Vista was purchased at a rate eclipsing any other OS in history. It's being called a disaster due to corporate and consumer inertia, which would be factors even if it were the greatest OS ever built. It's stable, and a lot of people like it. It's not Microsoft's finest moment by any means. Do you really think that the press is not overly favorab…

Purchased ;) heh.. it was forced on a public who didn't want it. Do you really think that if Vista was not preloaded onto computers, just XP, that people would have actually gone out and bought Vista still? Anyway... I think I'll sit the next round of this out. O/S wars are so over.

No, I don't think that would generally happen. Clearly some people would buy the OS on its own (I did, anyone building a high-end computer now might).

But I don't think that about any operating systems. I don't know what percentage of OS licenses come with hardware, but it has to be pretty mammoth.

And I don't think it's clear at all that the public doesn't want it.

Re: Vista Is Good

#95

Post by xlnt »

andreyf wrote: post #49
Create wrote: post #21

DRM gives power to Microsoft and Big Media. * They decide which programs you can and can't use on your computer * They decide which features of your computer or software you can use at any given moment * They force you to install new programs even when you don't want to (and, of course, pay for the privilege) * They restrict your access to certain programs and even to your own data files Even when you legally buy Vis…

This comment breaks how the page renders under FF 3rc1...

and in safari

Re: Vista Is Good

#96

Post by Xlp-Thlplylp »

No word about Vista's DRM and the difficulty this is causing many multimedia content providers and others. Economist David K. Levine called Vista "one of the colossal business blunders of all time" in the following article in the Against Monopoly blog:

http://againstmonopoly.org/index.php?limit=10&chunk=0&#3...

Here's an excerpt: "the demand for degraded computers that can play "premium content" is limited. People just don't buy computers to play movies on them. Michele and I previously dug out some numbers on the size of the "premium content" industry versus the IT industry. According to the RIAA, the value of all CD's, live presentations, music videos, dvds in 1998 was 13.72 billion US$. According to the SOI, in 1998 the business receipts of the computer and electronic product manufacturing including both hardware and software was 560.27 billion US$. I looked up at the census 1997 revenue in the telecommunications industry: 260.50 billion US$. So: are people going to give up their general purpose computers they spend $560 billion on to access less than $14 billion in content?"

From an economist's perspective, a $13.8 billion industry is negligible compared with a $560 billion industry.

Re: Vista Is Good

#97

Post by Hexstream »

mynameishere wrote: post #93
Hexstream wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The notion that posting content of whatever sort onto your own web property is somehow illegitimate, to me, seems like an unhealthy notion." Let's put that theory to the test: "The notion that posting [spam/outright lies/defamation/deliberately inacurrate and misleading information/gratuitous hate speech] onto your own web property is somehow illegitimate, to me, seems like an unhealthy notion."

What country are you from? Just curious--most Americans, even liberals, are not quite so willing to pose the bogeyman up against free speech and property rights.

Québec, Canada.

If most Americans defend spam/outright lies/defamation/deliberately inacurrate and misleading information/gratuitous hate speech in a misguided attempt to protect free speech while simultaneously waiving all their rights whenever Bush utters the word "terrorists" then I pity them.

Re: Vista Is Good

#98

Post by mhartl »

axod wrote: post #83
mattmaroon wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, you assume they are meant to be irritating because they irritate you, probably largely due to my use of the word "fanboy". If I had posted that article on an Apple Developer forum rather than my personal blog, that might be a reasonable assumption. Hell, if I even wrote it here, that might still have some validity (though I think not much) given that most people here probably use OSX. But they're on a website w…

I apologise... It's your blog, and you didn't submit it. They're your opinions and you're certainly entitled to them. However, I'd say if you want them to be taken seriously sticking to the facts is a better tactic rather than accusing everyone else of being biased.

you didn't submit it

There's nothing wrong with submitting your own stuff. To make the front page, people still have to vote it up.

Re: Vista Is Good

#99

Post by dhbradshaw »

axod wrote: post #60
mynameishere wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The notion that posting content of whatever sort onto your own web property is somehow illegitimate, to me, seems like an unhealthy notion. Further, I think "troll" is name-calling, pure and simple. Just emotion. The highest rated comment here right now consists of this: "Vista is not good." ...to me, that's a pretty worthless comment--a grammatically, orthographically, socially correct version of "Vista Blow turdz".…

And the original article "Vista is good" was... ?

not a title with no supporting arguments.

Re: Vista Is Good

#100

Post by mynameishere »

Hexstream wrote: post #97
mynameishere wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What country are you from? Just curious--most Americans, even liberals, are not quite so willing to pose the bogeyman up against free speech and property rights.

Québec, Canada. If most Americans defend spam/outright lies/defamation/deliberately inacurrate and misleading information/gratuitous hate speech in a misguided attempt to protect free speech while simultaneously waiving all their rights whenever Bush utters the word "terrorists" then I pity them.

Not defending it so much as pointing out that it is a bogeyman. Bringing up George Bush is a pretty sad straw man, so please skip it. I'm just glad to've had my hunch confirmed. I know Canada is all-too-willing to imprison people for speech violations, and I'm quite happy it hasn't come to that here yet. Of course, it will eventually.
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