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We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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I'm a startup founder living in San Francisco, currently in Istanbul, Turkey, for a half work trip, half hiring. First of all the same caveat applies: if you want to live in Turkey, you have to know Turkish. Turkey is closer to France than Thailand in terms of tolerance for English, tourists get a pass, but otherwise fiercely protective. If you're not a visitor, you are expected to know at least basic Turkish or be a…

Very elegant plug

I try. ;)

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Isn't it annoying/limiting to live in a "tourist town" or maybe that is just part of the year?

It's mostly August, town is small and tourists are concentrated in historic areas. Traffic is jammed but you can walk around, everything is 15 mins away.

I should have been more specific. I don't mind tourist, but when I was living in Malta for awhile it seemed like being a tourist destinations affected it negatively. Rents would be higher than expected in many attractive areas, but it would be pretty quiet off-season. And outside the attractive areas the standard of living and services would be less. I guess some of that you would figure out living there longer, but it seemed like the "bang-for-buck" was less than expected and a lot of that had to do with being a tourist destination. Would you think that would be a concern in Split?

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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I found that fact surprising so I looked at that socketsite but their link to the original source is a dead link.

It got moved to a new URL: http://hsh.sfgov.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/2015-San-Fra...

Thanks. 51% reported living in SF for less than 10 years, so Newsom's point that more than half of the homeless were sent from other places could still hold.

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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It got moved to a new URL: http://hsh.sfgov.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/2015-San-Fra...

Thanks. 51% reported living in SF for less than 10 years, so Newsom's point that more than half of the homeless were sent from other places could still hold.

11% were less than one year.

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Oversimplifying here, but the homeless probem arises due to high housing cost and poor health care system. In addition to fighting the symptoms (which is already being done ok-ish), we need to fight the mentioned root causes. Unfortunately, the health care problem goes back to CA or even on a national level. Often times, mentally ill or people that lost their jobs for another reason become homeless, and from there th…

I dunno. As someone who lives in NYC where we really just don't have the same problem at all it's pretty clear there are some policy reasons involved too.

I think the weather is a bigger factor than people expect.

If I was resigned to being homeless, I would definitely do whatever I could to be homeless in a city that hardly rains, never snows, and never gets freezing.

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Tax is irrelevant if you are an employee in your own Croatian company. The paycheck is yours to choose and you can pay the company income to yourself (12% or 18% tax, depending on the amount). Yeah, you lose the social benefits of the future but have more money to save. Companies here do not mind paying to your business for services because it is cheaper for them too, and as a tech worker, all the benefits of an empl…

7% on 100k is 7k that's not irrelevant

As I've said, 100k puts you in the 12% bracket for company income. If you were receiving the salary as an employee, you'd give 35% of that. Employer would have a cost of ~200k. If your services are charged through your company, the cost is 100k for the employer, and you keep 88% when cashing out.

It's not that bad. Yes, you give up the Croatian pension, but it would be miserably small after inflation. You still keep the healthcare.

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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> It’s true, though. The concentration of talented, hard-working, smart people in SV is astonishing. I’ve lived in the Bay Area for a long time, and recently moved to Seattle; I find the rank and file talent in Seattle to be a good noch or two above SV. I’ve also heard that from startups too who looked to Seattle after not finding the talent they needed.

>who looked to Seattle after not finding the talent they needed. Were they offering competitive salaries? I doubt it.

Wasn’t bad, but they couldn’t compete with the top companies, and the folks they were getting weren’t good enough.

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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It's mostly August, town is small and tourists are concentrated in historic areas. Traffic is jammed but you can walk around, everything is 15 mins away.

I should have been more specific. I don't mind tourist, but when I was living in Malta for awhile it seemed like being a tourist destinations affected it negatively. Rents would be higher than expected in many attractive areas, but it would be pretty quiet off-season. And outside the attractive areas the standard of living and services would be less. I guess some of that you would figure out living there longer, but…

Yeah, Split is expensive when it comes to buying stuff, but still cheaper rent than capital city Zagreb. City is really small, so all the services are here. I haven't noticed that I miss anything or that anything is too expensive.

Families that want to save more go live in Solin, Stobreč or similar costal outskirts, and these are 15-20 minutes by car from city center. Roads get congested around historic core, unlike Zagreb where congestion issues are ridiculous (can take you an hour to get to where you want).

According to Numbeo, I'd have to have impossible income to keep the buying power at the same level if I moved to Vienna, Berlin, or other more attractive European towns.

A quality engineer earning 2-2.5k euro in Croatia has no reason to move to Berlin or Vienna if paycheck does not double. An experienced engineer earning more really needs to get insane offers to move.

My SF salary was no where near the current living standards.

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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7% on 100k is 7k that's not irrelevant

As I've said, 100k puts you in the 12% bracket for company income. If you were receiving the salary as an employee, you'd give 35% of that. Employer would have a cost of ~200k. If your services are charged through your company, the cost is 100k for the employer, and you keep 88% when cashing out. It's not that bad. Yes, you give up the Croatian pension, but it would be miserably small after inflation. You still keep…

That's not a bad option provided employer is game
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