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Verizon and a BGP Optimizer Knocked Large Parts of the Internet Offline

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Re: Verizon and a BGP Optimizer Knocked Large Parts of the Internet Offline

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Long ago, in the mists of time when I was a wee lad, the internet was a simpler place. There were seven buttons around the world, all pressed down by volunteers. If any four of them were released, the world would end. “The world” was defined as “the internet”, and at the time that meant “the world” was defined as “men with beards and suspenders and real opinions about Star Trek”, and so that wasn’t so bad. Today in 2…

There's no need to fear, for seven men with keys, masters of the universe, well versed universal programming linguistically... and if there is a big blackout.. up to 6 of them can back out!

https://youtu.be/Odw9Md9Lm6g?t=164

Re: Verizon and a BGP Optimizer Knocked Large Parts of the Internet Offline

#52
post #43
post #4

Long ago, in the mists of time when I was a wee lad, the internet was a simpler place. There were seven buttons around the world, all pressed down by volunteers. If any four of them were released, the world would end. “The world” was defined as “the internet”, and at the time that meant “the world” was defined as “men with beards and suspenders and real opinions about Star Trek”, and so that wasn’t so bad. Today in 2…

You came up with this analogy when Lost was still airing, no? Although BGP probably makes about the same amount of sense to most people.

https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-problem-with-the-seven-k...

Re: Verizon and a BGP Optimizer Knocked Large Parts of the Internet Offline

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post #10

One would think Cloudflare team would have a direct line of communication to all tier 1 Internet providers.

We thought we did. And tried both public and private lines of communication — without reply. Still waiting.

Hats off to Verizon for treating everyone equally without discrimination.

Re: Verizon and a BGP Optimizer Knocked Large Parts of the Internet Offline

#55

It's clear that Verizon broke the Internet this morning through incompetent BGP management, and they could do it again. Who holds them accountable?

Who holds them accountable?

Anyone working in their NOCs with thoughts of working elsewhere? Having a predetermination of "stupid and/or lazy" because of your workplace can't help employment prospects.

Re: Verizon and a BGP Optimizer Knocked Large Parts of the Internet Offline

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Verizon's response seems very non-committal and it appears this type of incident may happen again if they don't take any action. Are there ways for companies like Google or Cloudflare to work around ISPs like Verizon without affecting ISP customers, or is this a blocker? Was the 10% of the re-routed traffic from Cloudflare 100% of the traffic from Verizon to Cloudflare?

It's worse than that. BGP provides the "map" of the Internet. That map is relayed from network to network. So, as a result, Verizon announcing a bad route can mess up the map not just for them but for any other network that connects to them (directly or indirectly). We're actually fortunate at Cloudflare because of our scale and wide-spread interconnection. That limited the impact more than it would have for a smalle…

The amount of posturing and blaming in Cloudflare's response is breathtakingly unprofessional. If the article was just a few sentences longer, you could have squeezed in a few more statements of blame. We know, they messed up. But Cloudflare isn't making itself look any better by rolling the bus over Verizon again and again.

Re: Verizon and a BGP Optimizer Knocked Large Parts of the Internet Offline

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post #52
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You came up with this analogy when Lost was still airing, no? Although BGP probably makes about the same amount of sense to most people.

https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-problem-with-the-seven-k...

Hoisting my pitchfork a bit, but the internet might be better off without hierarchical DNS. I certainly wouldn't call that "the world ending."
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