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You don't really want a million dollars

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Re: You don't really want a million dollars

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A million dollars is actually not enough to secure a dignified existence in the US. Nonsense: http://ryanwaggoner.com/2010/08/how-to-retire-at-30-on-1-mil... Not to face bankruptcy if a major health problem arises? Health insurance isn't that expensive unless you have a pre-existing condition [1]. I won't talk about the college and home ownership questions other than to say that families have figured out how to live…

"pre-existing condition" what does it mean? And how can old people avoid having pre-existing condition? Does that mean one has to be insured continuously to make sure no pre-existing condition arises in-between insurance gap? I'm new in the States and I hear this term is mentioned a lot.

Insurance is based on statistics. The insurance company is making a bet across a large number of people that the people will pay them more than they'll have to pay out.

If you're already afflicted with some illness (a 'preexisting condition') then the insurance company has a pretty good idea of what you'll cost them: more than someone like me, who's young and relatively healthy. So naturally, the rate for someone like this is significantly higher.

This becomes a problem when people think of 'insurance' as something that's a prerequisite for life rather than what it is, insurance. This is partially because as more and more people received insurance, the price kept rising and rising, because the individuals don't see them: they only see the deductible. By now, costs are getting to be so high that it's become a reality: you pretty much have to have insurance, because if you don't, and you get seriously ill, you're pretty fucked. Like, "will be owing money the rest of your life."

You hear "pre-existing condition" a lot because it became a political buzzword used to explain why Republicans want to kill your grandma.

Re: You don't really want a million dollars

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I won't talk about the college and home ownership questions other than to say that families have figured out how to live happy, healthy lives on far, far less. Go to a good state school, get some scholarships, don't live in Manhattan. This is a poor answer. Just because other people are happy with something doesn't mean everyone is. What do you mean "don't live in Mahnattan"? I want to live in Manhattan. Who are you…

He didn't say that, he said that you don't need to live in Manhattan to have a dignified life . Nobody contests that a million dollars can buy you a lot of very nice things. The point is that too many people spend too much time fretting about going to Thailand when they get a million dollars, while completely missing the fact that a trip to Thailand is maybe $1000. It's mostly a question of priorities, and if you mak…

Maybe, but his thesis that most people say that want a million dollars but don't actually want the things that cost a million dollars is unsupported. I was playing devil's advocate (I probably don't want to live in Manhattan) but the idea is that none of us really know how many people actually want things that cost a million dollars and how many people just want what he terms "freedom."

Re: You don't really want a million dollars

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You're right about the private jet. I probably just need one chartered for two round trips per month. But regarding the Bugatti, I want to own it. I want to go to Safeway in it. I want to drive down the freeway and just think in it. I have no interest in driving the Autobahn. But for probably a year, I want this to be mine main solo car. Next year, probably a new car. So maybe leasing a Bugatti Veyron Grand Sport. St…

>I haven't even really thought about it I hope that is the case, and I hope your posts aren't indicative of your mindset and worldview, because you come across as very whimsical and insecure--two qualities that I can assure you are not conducive to actually generating the kind of wealth you apparently desire.

What is this, amateur psychology hour? Aside from reading a couple paragraphs on HN you know pretty much nothing about him/her or his/her life. As far as how conducive his or her philosophy is to generating wealth, do you have statistics on this? Do you even have anecdotal evidence? Are you a HNWI or just talking out your ass?

Re: You don't really want a million dollars

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Very few people want, need, or are even wishing for exactly one million dollars, and zero cents. '1 million dollars' is just a placeholder for 'enough money' that originated in a time long past.

It's a bias that's not hard to detect. If I examine my own thoughts, I find that 'millionaire' is almost synonymous with 'arbitrarily wealthy' while 'billionaire' and 'trillionaire' don't really hold meaning beyond the literal definition.

Re: You don't really want a million dollars

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"to play sports" Ever notice how many of the highest performing athletes in the world tend to come from exactly the kind of environments where parents don't have a lot of money to spend on things like sports? So, maybe it's possible to play sports without spending a ton of money?

My kids play sports but not because I realistically think they are ever going to earn a living at it. It'd be nice if they could get a college scholarship, but even that is a long shot. The main reasons I have them in sports is that it's activity that keeps them fit, it's a social opportunity that allows them to make friends, and it helps them learn an important part of American culture.

None of that requires spending a lot of money.

Re: You don't really want a million dollars

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"to play sports" Ever notice how many of the highest performing athletes in the world tend to come from exactly the kind of environments where parents don't have a lot of money to spend on things like sports? So, maybe it's possible to play sports without spending a ton of money?

Maybe in basketball and soccer, where you just need a ball. In sports like golf, gymnastics, figure skating, hockey, gridiron football, tennis, skiing and snowboarding it's another story.

There are definitely many low income kids who thrive at Grid iron football. Lots of poor Latin American kids play baseball.

The sports that require alot of money to play are mainly ways for upper class white kids to avoid having to compete against the black kids and still feel like they are good athletes. At least in the US.

Re: You don't really want a million dollars

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I really disagree with this. Far from being more than anybody needs, a million dollars is actually not enough to secure a dignified existence in the US. Sure... a "trip to Thailand" doesn't require a million dollars, but what if you want: Not to face bankruptcy if a major health problem arises? Not to worry about the cost of college for your children? To own a small home in NYC or SF? To afford competent legal repres…

Not to face bankruptcy if a major health problem arises? Not to worry about the cost of college for your children? To own a small home in NYC or SF? To afford competent legal representation if the need arises? Surely this isn't the definition of "a dignified existence in the US", is it?

I have no idea. It's not the definition of "dignified existence in the US" for anyone I respect, that's for sure.

Re: You don't really want a million dollars

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Maybe in basketball and soccer, where you just need a ball. In sports like golf, gymnastics, figure skating, hockey, gridiron football, tennis, skiing and snowboarding it's another story.

Not to mention rowing, cycling, biathlon, triathlon, sailing, equestrian, mountaineering, etc. I don't know the exact numbers offhand, but it seems like the vast majority of elite athletes come from wealthy families and go through colleges like Yale and Stanford. The only sports that have even nominal representation from low-SES backgrounds are made-for-TV sports, but if you look at the overall picture it's not nearl…

"made-for-TV sports"

In other words, just the ones that most people like to play and draw the most talented athletes.

Re: You don't really want a million dollars

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I find it rich (no pun intended) that a bunch of single folk can somehow assume it's easy to live these type of lifestyles if you have a wife and 2 kids. Sorry, but I'd rather have a million.

I would like to have a million. Two, if I could get it... three I wouldn't turn down either.

I have defined two very specific and (not too horribly) lavish goals: have $0.00 month-to-month debt and to own a house with some acreage in the American Rockies.

But, more money can be put to use: collage scholarships, investing, hobbies, putting away for family, charities -

If one is not wedded to the urban jet-set lifestyle, one can really stretch the money.

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