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Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by matwood » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 4:35 PM UTC

tzakrajs wrote: post #14

superpermutat0r wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Split, Croatia. Weather is equivalent, smaller city, lots of foreigners, and a growing IT industry. For a foreigner it's also very easy to just come and live in Croatia, they give staying permits to anyone who comes to just live and spend money (not work) but after you find work, getting an EU blue card is a piece of cake.

What if we don't speak any language other than English? Is it difficult to live and work there as such?

I've been to Croatia a few times. It is very English friendly. Even a lot of the local TV was often in English. Croatia is a great place, and I highly recommend visiting.

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by dentemple » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 4:35 PM UTC

analogmemory wrote: post #35

superpermutat0r wrote: post #4

I can't even work in SF. The time wasted to drive to work kills me, I can't get desensitized to all the homeless shitting on streets, stabbing themselves with needles, talking schizophrenically in a dead language, every time I go grab a coffee or lunch in a cheaper area, it's like watching animal slaughter every day. Quality of life definitely much better in Mediterranean city I live today.

Cool. Good to see the privileged viewpoint of white folks still exists. I'd imagine it's much easier to judge others over the internet that to actually find ways to help them. And yes I'm being purposely judgemental of you. Have you taken the time to understand why these states happen for transient folks? Our mental health system is broken and the federal government refuses to grand basic health care for all its citi…

that's a harsher reply that it needs to be, mate

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by conanbatt » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 4:35 PM UTC

enraged_camel wrote: post #18

dmortin wrote: post #13

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It's strange that a rich area can't take care of this problem. E.g. supporting the homeless some way, cleaning them up and helping them to find some job and housing.

The argument most commonly put forth by NIMBY types is that providing services for homeless people simply encourages more homeless to move to that city. Here in Austin, the City announced plans to build a new community center to help the homeless. Nearby residents are losing their fucking minds over it.

San Francisco is a net-exporter of homeless people, according to a piece by The Guardian. Aproximately half the homeless population was sent to other states.

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by toasterlovin » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 4:35 PM UTC

analogmemory wrote: post #35

superpermutat0r wrote: post #4

I can't even work in SF. The time wasted to drive to work kills me, I can't get desensitized to all the homeless shitting on streets, stabbing themselves with needles, talking schizophrenically in a dead language, every time I go grab a coffee or lunch in a cheaper area, it's like watching animal slaughter every day. Quality of life definitely much better in Mediterranean city I live today.

Cool. Good to see the privileged viewpoint of white folks still exists. I'd imagine it's much easier to judge others over the internet that to actually find ways to help them. And yes I'm being purposely judgemental of you. Have you taken the time to understand why these states happen for transient folks? Our mental health system is broken and the federal government refuses to grand basic health care for all its citi…

How do you know the person you're responding to is white?

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by jasode » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 4:35 PM UTC

dmortin wrote: post #13

superpermutat0r wrote: post #4

I can't even work in SF. The time wasted to drive to work kills me, I can't get desensitized to all the homeless shitting on streets, stabbing themselves with needles, talking schizophrenically in a dead language, every time I go grab a coffee or lunch in a cheaper area, it's like watching animal slaughter every day. Quality of life definitely much better in Mediterranean city I live today.

It's strange that a rich area can't take care of this problem. E.g. supporting the homeless some way, cleaning them up and helping them to find some job and housing.

>It's strange that a rich area can't take care of this problem.

Apparently, it's a really difficult problem that nobody has really solved.

Yes, San Francisco is wealthy. And Monte Carlo is wealthy too with Lamborghinis and Ferraris. Why does MC not have a rampant "homeless problem"? Well, if a homeless person tried to lay down a blanket to sleep on the sidewalk across from the iconic casino, he's going to be rounded up by MC police. As far as I can tell, MC doesn't have a homeless shelter so I'm not sure where the MC police takes the vagrants. San Francisco police obviously do not remove all homeless people from the sidewalk. And nobody is suggesting SF emulate what MC does.

Can SF spend money on housing for homeless? Multiple cities have tried this with mixed results[1] ... poop in the stairways, drugs, etc.

Which city in the world has the best homeless program (especially dealing with mentally ill homeless) and what do they do differently?

[1] https://www.google.com/search?q=washington+dc+homeless+apart...

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by inimino » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 4:36 PM UTC

analogmemory wrote: post #35

superpermutat0r wrote: post #4

I can't even work in SF. The time wasted to drive to work kills me, I can't get desensitized to all the homeless shitting on streets, stabbing themselves with needles, talking schizophrenically in a dead language, every time I go grab a coffee or lunch in a cheaper area, it's like watching animal slaughter every day. Quality of life definitely much better in Mediterranean city I live today.

Cool. Good to see the privileged viewpoint of white folks still exists. I'd imagine it's much easier to judge others over the internet that to actually find ways to help them. And yes I'm being purposely judgemental of you. Have you taken the time to understand why these states happen for transient folks? Our mental health system is broken and the federal government refuses to grand basic health care for all its citi…

Where's the indifference? They just said they moved away from it. Do you have a problem with that?

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by silvestrov » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 4:36 PM UTC

natalyarostova wrote: post #19

dmortin wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's strange that a rich area can't take care of this problem. E.g. supporting the homeless some way, cleaning them up and helping them to find some job and housing.

They spend vast amounts of money on the problem, but the way they approach the problem makes the solution intractable. To the extent the drug addicted and severely mentally ill homeless can want things, and want the right to continue their current life, they are afforded that right. That is to say, it is their fundamental right to use drugs, live, and defecate on the street (I know these things are illegal, but reall…

SF spends $250 million in 2017. 1/3 on actual homeless, 2/3 on preventing homelessness (e.g. rental subsidies).

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/heatherknight/article/Bu...

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by celticninja » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 4:36 PM UTC

analogmemory wrote: post #35

superpermutat0r wrote: post #4

I can't even work in SF. The time wasted to drive to work kills me, I can't get desensitized to all the homeless shitting on streets, stabbing themselves with needles, talking schizophrenically in a dead language, every time I go grab a coffee or lunch in a cheaper area, it's like watching animal slaughter every day. Quality of life definitely much better in Mediterranean city I live today.

Cool. Good to see the privileged viewpoint of white folks still exists. I'd imagine it's much easier to judge others over the internet that to actually find ways to help them. And yes I'm being purposely judgemental of you. Have you taken the time to understand why these states happen for transient folks? Our mental health system is broken and the federal government refuses to grand basic health care for all its citi…

That seems unduly harsh. He left somewhere where quality of life was poor and moved away to a better place. He was honest about his reasons for leaving too. Perhaps instead of getting on your high horse it would be beneficial to understand that the people you need, to fund via tax, services for the homeless can and do leave. It's not their fault, that lies with whoever is distributing tax money to these services. So be angry at the local, state or national government. Not someone giving an honest opinion.

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 4:37 PM UTC

superpermutat0r wrote: post #10

shafyy wrote: post #6

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Where do you live now?

Split, Croatia. Weather is equivalent, smaller city, lots of foreigners, and a growing IT industry. For a foreigner it's also very easy to just come and live in Croatia, they give staying permits to anyone who comes to just live and spend money (not work) but after you find work, getting an EU blue card is a piece of cake.

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Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by hguant » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 4:37 PM UTC

analogmemory wrote: post #35

superpermutat0r wrote: post #4

I can't even work in SF. The time wasted to drive to work kills me, I can't get desensitized to all the homeless shitting on streets, stabbing themselves with needles, talking schizophrenically in a dead language, every time I go grab a coffee or lunch in a cheaper area, it's like watching animal slaughter every day. Quality of life definitely much better in Mediterranean city I live today.

Cool. Good to see the privileged viewpoint of white folks still exists. I'd imagine it's much easier to judge others over the internet that to actually find ways to help them. And yes I'm being purposely judgemental of you. Have you taken the time to understand why these states happen for transient folks? Our mental health system is broken and the federal government refuses to grand basic health care for all its citi…

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