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Bernie Sanders to unveil plan to cancel all $1.6T of student loan debt

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Re: Bernie Sanders to unveil plan to cancel all $1.6T of student loan debt

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I can't find this mentioned, is this only federal loans held by the government or would this involve forgiving privately held debts. The first seems reasonable. The second seems terrifying.

The full plan isn’t out but they’ve implied it would be public & private debt as well as making community & public colleges tuition free going forward.

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This is welfare for upper middle class people. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/18/opinion/student-debt-forg... > “Education debt,” as Sandy Baum and Victoria Lee of the Urban Institute have written, “is disproportionately concentrated among the well-off.” The highest-earning quarter of the population holds more than a third of all student debt, while the lowest-earning quarter holds only 12 percent, according to Baum…

I'd kind of expect richer people to be more likely to go to college, and also be more likely to have the contacts to get a well paying job.

On that basis I would expect this to benefit the lower middle class, they accrued the debt without accruing the earning potential.

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This will not fix the problem with colleges pumping out useless degrees. They got their money up-front, don't have any consequences, and the taxpayers get to foot the bill.

Why not fix the root of the problem? This solution will only serve to enrich the universities and not get them to change their behavior.

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This is welfare for upper middle class people. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/18/opinion/student-debt-forg... > “Education debt,” as Sandy Baum and Victoria Lee of the Urban Institute have written, “is disproportionately concentrated among the well-off.” The highest-earning quarter of the population holds more than a third of all student debt, while the lowest-earning quarter holds only 12 percent, according to Baum…

>This is welfare for upper middle class people. Maybe more lower class people would go into this if they could afford it?

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Re: Bernie Sanders to unveil plan to cancel all $1.6T of student loan debt

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We could just rollback the recent tax cuts and have a much more progressive tax policy than a student loan forgiveness program for all. That said one of the arguments for universal forgiveness is that it’s the only way to get major reform in the space. That seems like a crazy expensive premium to pay to me but maybe I’m naive about the appetite for improving others lives.

The recent tax cuts are a side show. The main effect was to bring U.S. corporate tax rates in line with Randian hell-holes like... Sweden: https://tradingeconomics.com/sweden/corporate-tax-rate ; https://www.oecd.org/tax/revenue-statistics-sweden.pdf (Sweden - 6% of revenue from corporate taxes); https://www.oecd.org/tax/revenue-statistics-united-states.pd... (US - 8% of revenue from corporate taxes). If we want to h…

I don’t disagree my point is student loan debt forgiveness is an extremely regressive tax policy. That the left most of the Democratic Party is arguing for it is pretty concerning. Especially when the right most of the Republican Party is coming after the social safety net.

Re: Bernie Sanders to unveil plan to cancel all $1.6T of student loan debt

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post #6

This is welfare for upper middle class people. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/18/opinion/student-debt-forg... > “Education debt,” as Sandy Baum and Victoria Lee of the Urban Institute have written, “is disproportionately concentrated among the well-off.” The highest-earning quarter of the population holds more than a third of all student debt, while the lowest-earning quarter holds only 12 percent, according to Baum…

This plan cancels all student loan debt; It does not matter what percentage of income-earners hold the debt. God forbid something nice happen for the middle class. It's really tiring to have scraped by, worked hard to get where I am, and be told I'm JUST privileged (white, male, income) enough to not qualify for any sort of government assistance.

Re: Bernie Sanders to unveil plan to cancel all $1.6T of student loan debt

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Just imagine if that amount of money was spent on updated infrastructure. Effective country wide mass transit, better ports and airports. And the money spent would flow right into the economy and circulate over and over, would push construction companies and techniques forward.

Or towards clean energy generation, storage, and use. How fast would oil and coal be completely replaced? And again, money pumped into the economy to do so.

Or scientific research, space projects, could make large leaps, and again, that money flows back into the economy and multiplies.

Instead we want to make it so the people who hustled through college, picked a cheaper school, worked on the side, paid down their debt if they got any as soon as possible, that those people get the same outcome as someone who got a huge loan and played video games and got drunk every weekend, and spent $200,000 on a degree that only gets you a $50,000/year job?

Re: Bernie Sanders to unveil plan to cancel all $1.6T of student loan debt

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Just imagine if that amount of money was spent on updated infrastructure. Effective country wide mass transit, better ports and airports. And the money spent would flow right into the economy and circulate over and over, would push construction companies and techniques forward. Or towards clean energy generation, storage, and use. How fast would oil and coal be completely replaced? And again, money pumped into the ec…

All those things you mentioned are worthwhile investments. Erasing student debt is also a good investment. It's a bubble waiting to burst and wreak havoc on the economy. We should do both.

Re: Bernie Sanders to unveil plan to cancel all $1.6T of student loan debt

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So what about the moral hazard in this.

This doesn't seem to solve anything for prospective students, except to suggest they too may get their debt cleared, so load em up?

Surely you should be looking at future rules, then retroactively applying them if appropriate, rather than bailing out a cohort.

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