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Re: Raspberry Pi 4

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Post by Scene_Cast2 » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 1:54 PM UTC

So on one hand, I get the excitement. This is a very popular platform that has a ton of community support and does a bunch of stuff. On the other hand, it isn't great at anything (besides the community - which shouldn't be underestimated, sure). It's also using a pretty proprietary chip - if you build a project off of a Pi, it's hard to migrate to a custom PCB.

As a NAS, you probably would want ECC and a bunch of SATA ports (I'm using a Helios4 for this purpose). You can't use it as a router / pfSense without a second gigabit ethernet. As a media box, you'd want a SATA port and more display out options (and maybe beefier GPU).

But on the other hand, everyone including me has one. (I got one for flashing some SPI chips with Coreboot BIOS). Perhaps the versatility is the killer feature.

Re: Raspberry Pi 4

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Post by Zenst » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 1:55 PM UTC

opencl wrote: post #422

dxxvi wrote: post #267

What is an AMD/Intel CPU as powerful as this RPi4 CPU?

Going by the "3x faster than Pi 3" claim it should be roughly on par with desktop CPUs from around 10 years ago (Core 2 Quad Q6600, Athlon II X4 600e) or the modern quad core Atom CPUs like say the x7-Z8750.

Rocking a Core2 duo 6600 for the past 11 years, so I'll let you know as that is what it will be replaced with. Been looking at a ARM solution for while, whilst the current 3b+ are good, the ram limitation and IO speeds as well as just short on some graphics grunt, did limit what they could do.

Whilst no SATA, the USB3 should be enough and the boost in memory alone, makes desktop replacement utterly viable.

But there are solutions out there with SATA and even PCIe slot(s), though support is a factor and with Raspberry, you have that support base that tips the balance. After all, having extra features with bugs compared to less extra features and solid support to deal with any bugs in a timely manner as well as a user base that can eyeball saturate an issue. Well, that's priceless as that will save you so much time, hassel and stress.

Re: Raspberry Pi 4

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Post by guy_c » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 1:56 PM UTC

dingaling wrote: post #199

PakG1 wrote: post #74

Gigabit Ethernet? I'm tempted to grab a few and try running Pi-Hole for my whole organization (~1200 users) and see how that goes. :) I know you can set up Pi-Hole on Ubuntu VMs. But there's something so attractive to me about running it separate from your hypervisors and closer to the core switch on very very cheap hardware.... Been curious about Pi-Hole on my bigger work scale for a while, this may very well tip me…

Pi-Hole is a wrapper around dnsmasq, so you could just run that on your base OS with the same configuration files. Add gravity.sh if you want automated blocklist updating: https://lowendbox.com/blog/host-your-own-dns-now-with-100-mo... If you already have an available server there's no need to spin up a VM to host another OS instance just to run native software...

Someone in the comments of that post recommends this automatically updated blocklist https://github.com/notracking/hosts-blocklists

Re: Raspberry Pi 4

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Post by jimpudar » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 1:57 PM UTC

I'm so happy they haven't removed the composite video out in the headphone jack! If you didn't know, you just need a 3.5 mm TRRS connector - the pinout[0] looks like:

T - Left Channel Audio

R - Right Channel Audio

R - Ground

S - Composite Video Out

[0] https://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2014/07/raspberry-pi-model...

Re: Raspberry Pi 4

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Post by Zenst » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 1:57 PM UTC

monocasa wrote: post #396

Huh, the new cores are Spectre vulnerable for the first time for RPi.

ah, because of the out of order instruction processing with the SMP. Not thought about that, but the speed bumps all round will more than absorb any OS mitigation overhead.

Re: Raspberry Pi 4

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 1:58 PM UTC

b_tterc_p wrote: post #450

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #441

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I know. The people who stock the vending machine at work throw out 'expired' stuff all the time that I swipe. Your point? We absolutely should not be wasting this stuff, it's bad for the environment, and it's bad for our wallets.

There is merit to ecological reasoning, but sometimes people like nice things; and concern over the use of pi’s over existing arbitrary computers is so low on the list of ecological priorities that perhaps it’s better to simply recognize the value it provides to people who want to buy one.

You're right, it is much more important that people feel good about themselves than that the planet continue to be hospitable to life.

Re: Raspberry Pi 4

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Post by guilhermetk » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 1:59 PM UTC

TimeOutBoss wrote: post #272

franky47 wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can relate. However these days I have found a new life for those abandoned Pis: I install Pi-Hole [1] on them and set them up for family and close friends. [1] https://pi-hole.net/

What else would you recommend along side pi-hole, something easy to setup and maintain like pihole?

PiVPN, if you have the need to remote access your home network:

http://www.pivpn.io/

Re: Raspberry Pi 4

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Post by throw0101a » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 1:59 PM UTC

ggm wrote: post #169

bscphil wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's really too bad. It makes the 4K support useless for building an HTPC, which is a common use for the Pi. As far as I can determine, several of their competitors already support 10bit decoding, although specifics (about stable HDR support) are sometimes hard to come by.

As a fifty seven year old, I don't have 4k eyeballs. agree you have a limitation, not one which is holding me back since osmc does 720p just fine, for Olde telecine mp4s of B&W movies

> I don't have 4k eyeballs.

I'm sure higher resolution is nice, but nowadays I'm more interested in HDR and larger colour gamuts (Rec.2020).

I don't doubt 4K and 8K look "better", but IMHO we're approaching the point of diminishing returns, and visual enhancements in other areas are worth exploring (even for 1080p).

Re: Raspberry Pi 4

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Post by Deinos » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 1:59 PM UTC

Spivak wrote: post #438

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #414

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> compact home cloud Can we just start calling them servers again?

The distinction in actual usage between using cloud, server, and homelab to describe their setup seems to be rooted in their purpose. * Home Lab :: Running a partial/full enterprise IT stack for fun and education. * Home Server :: Running primarily internal services like file storage, backups, media streaming, home automation, maybe some light networking. * Home Cloud :: Running primarily external services on the pub…

I agree with you and appreciate the granularity that the distinctions afford.

Re: Raspberry Pi 4

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Post by Darkphibre » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 2:00 PM UTC

kbouck wrote: post #350

elliotpage wrote: post #185

Can't wait to buy this, boot it up, play with it for four hours, then stick it in the same desk drawer with the other Pis I have bought over the years. (The upgrades look great, just my attention span is not so great)

> with the other Pis I have bought over the years My wife refers to this as the raspberry pile.

Just blow her a raspberry when she says that. ;)