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Re: Raspberry Pi 4

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

b_tterc_p wrote: post #437
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #432

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is 1) really valuable? There's plenty of computer hardware you could put a fully open software stack on that's as or more powerful than an RPi and would otherwise just end up in a landfill or whatever. Open hardware would be significantly more interesting.

Plenty of clean food in dumpsters for you to eat too.

Yeah, I know. The people who stock the vending machine at work throw out 'expired' stuff all the time that I swipe. Your point? We absolutely should not be wasting this stuff, it's bad for the environment, and it's bad for our wallets.

Re: Raspberry Pi 4

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Post by KaiserPro »

neilv wrote: post #386
KaiserPro wrote: post #309

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I don't think one can paint attempting to stop counterfeit cameras (which were aggressively counterfeited) as being aggressively closed hardware. Look Rpi have a clear goal, to get kids coding. Everything, and I mean _everything_ they do is to further that goal. One part of that is to have a platform that is, safe, easy, expandable and _cheap_. A side effect of that is that its mostly open. Now, is it as open as say…

It's fine if that's their requirements, but that wasn't clear originally. It seems that people who care about technology open standards, open source, and open hardware need a clear understanding of Raspberry Pi requirements, and that they're actually getting hardware that is more closed than a typical PC. (Related: Starting over a decade ago, some IBM ThinkPad models infamously whitelisted mini-PCIe cards, so that on…

It was always the requirement. It was designed as a machine to replace the BBC micro.

most PCs have BIOS, which is closed source, and difficult to get access to. yes there are opensource alternatives, but they are not entirely practical.

Most modern PCs have a TPM, EFI and a whole host of other bits that make opensource drivers exceedingly difficult. Then there is the graphics card, where if you want to actually have decent speed it means closed source drivers (I'm talking nVidia/ATI, intel doesn't really count as they are adding GPUs as a value add, not a core business.)

Harddrives have closed source and obfuscated software that actually does the writing/reading.

Then there is the out-of-band management that is shoehorned into a lot of Intel and AMD's kit.

so, to say that it is more closed than a PC, is either ignorance or hyperbole.

Also, you have to remember that yes, the PC was based around open standards, but not open source. You still had to pay to get certified, or even get access to the spec.

Considering that you can attach any hardware either in the form of a HAT, or via the CSI, I think the argument is flawed. Again, there is nothing stopping people using a clone, if they so wish. But all the rpi clones appear to be mediocre at best.

Re: Raspberry Pi 4

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Post by kup0 »

I really don't need to upgrade from my rPi3 since I only use it as a Pi-hole, but I'm considering a rPi4 just for the fact that it's going to be an insane performance increase over the 3. Not to mention the move to 28nm might make it run cooler/etc as well. Maybe I can find a different use for the 4, who knows. At this kind of price, it's a no-brainer, though

Re: Raspberry Pi 4

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Post by mmsimanga »

elliotpage wrote: post #185

Can't wait to buy this, boot it up, play with it for four hours, then stick it in the same desk drawer with the other Pis I have bought over the years. (The upgrades look great, just my attention span is not so great)

I have to confess that I have never even booted up my Pi-3. Now I wonder if it is worth booting up the Pi-3 or should I wait till I get my hands on the Pi-4. That way I don't have to think of upgrading.

Re: Raspberry Pi 4

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Post by dchest »

imtringued wrote: post #245
nottorp wrote: post #168

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Another important thing to mention: if you're compiling and logging to the sd card, buy a lot of them because they'll die on you. They're not designed for this many writes.

Why bother with obsolete SD cards then? Here is an SSD for 15€ [0]. Pair it with a 5€ USB to SATA adapter and you're ready to go. [0] https://www.alternate.de/Apacer/AS350-120-GB-Solid-State-Dri...

Or external SSD drive. I ran RPi successfully on this:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/KingDian-Newest-item-Portabl...

and also have this:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/KingSpec-External-SSD-hard-d...

These are cheap Chinese SSDs, so I'm not sure about their longevity. There are also similar Samsung SSDs for ~2x price.

Another alternative is to get a good industrial SD card.

Re: Raspberry Pi 4

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Post by canada_dry »

franky47 wrote: post #189
elliotpage wrote: post #185

Can't wait to buy this, boot it up, play with it for four hours, then stick it in the same desk drawer with the other Pis I have bought over the years. (The upgrades look great, just my attention span is not so great)

I can relate. However these days I have found a new life for those abandoned Pis: I install Pi-Hole [1] on them and set them up for family and close friends. [1] https://pi-hole.net/

I used to run pi-hole, but just switched over to: nextdns.io It works like a charm!

Re: Raspberry Pi 4

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Post by cr0sh »

kolp wrote: post #330
TimeOutBoss wrote: post #272

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What else would you recommend along side pi-hole, something easy to setup and maintain like pihole?

MotionEye OS is good as a camera surveillance system. Needs a USB camera or a Raspberry Pi camera. Takes a bit of tweaking to get the optimal camera settings (using a GUI), but then it works well. LibeElec is useful as a home theatre setup, based on Kodi.

Second the idea of MotionEye OS - I have one running as a camera for the front door of my house, emailing me when it triggers to my phone's gmail account. So I have a kind of running "backup" of events if anything happens.

I use to run ZoneMinder on an old PC, but it was a bit flakey, way too crazy to set up for a home system; I had learned how to config and admin it over the last several years, but I was just plain tired of it. It's another great system for security cameras, but not really for a home, unless you have a ton of cameras that need monitoring, and don't mind the dedication of a beefy machine to the task.

MotionEye OS is more a distributed solution. It is possible to set it up so one install can monitor multiple cameras (in some manner - I haven't played with it), but I like it as a simple single IP camera turn-key solution. It basically can turn a Rasperry Pi into a cheap wireless IP camera that isn't locked down or tied to a proprietary ($) cloud system.

Using a RasPi Zero W and the cheapest camera you can find, you can build such a camera for under $50.00 USD off Amazon; probably cheaper if you shop around a bit more. The only cheaper option I've found (but it takes more to set it up properly) is the ESP32 camera modules that you can get.

Re: Raspberry Pi 4

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Post by Lutzb »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #436
intsunny wrote: post #61

The RPI4 w/ 4GB RAM is going to be a very welcomed upgrade in the emulation scene. N64, PS1, Dreamcast and PSP games will run so much smoother.

Does the 4 have a composite output, or is there a hat for it? My game room has a CRT and while I'd love to stick to original hardware, the price of getting it to read games from non-original media (which is getting harder and harder to come by) is pretty high. An RPi 4 could be reasonable alternative.

google pi2scart

Re: Raspberry Pi 4

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Post by penguinlinux »

TimeOutBoss wrote: post #272
franky47 wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can relate. However these days I have found a new life for those abandoned Pis: I install Pi-Hole [1] on them and set them up for family and close friends. [1] https://pi-hole.net/

What else would you recommend along side pi-hole, something easy to setup and maintain like pihole?

I have a raspberry pi zero w that I use with PivPN and Pihole and also I compiled tor on it. I can vpn into my home network , use tor as my socks 5 proxy and I also use pinhole to deal with tracking and advertising. best 5 dollars I've ever spent.

Re: Raspberry Pi 4

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Post by b_tterc_p »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #441
b_tterc_p wrote: post #437

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plenty of clean food in dumpsters for you to eat too.

Yeah, I know. The people who stock the vending machine at work throw out 'expired' stuff all the time that I swipe. Your point? We absolutely should not be wasting this stuff, it's bad for the environment, and it's bad for our wallets.

There is merit to ecological reasoning, but sometimes people like nice things; and concern over the use of pi’s over existing arbitrary computers is so low on the list of ecological priorities that perhaps it’s better to simply recognize the value it provides to people who want to buy one.
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