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V Is for Vaporware

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Re: V Is for Vaporware

#2
It would be nice if people were supportive of this effort instead of just pissing on it.

Of course it is incomplete at 0.0.12. Was it over hyped? Sure. Good for him to have time for some marketing of his work next to _actually writing a working compiler with a good start for a standard library_

This thing is real and here to stay.

How about this: instead of writing about frauds and vapourware, contribute to the project. File an issue, fix a bug, work with the author.

We should applaud and encourage these efforts.

Re: V Is for Vaporware

#3
Why does the internet care so much? My recollection of the events is that the guy put up a website for an in progress language. Someone else posted it on HN and people started shitting their pants.

The author owes you nothing.

Re: V Is for Vaporware

#4
post #2

It would be nice if people were supportive of this effort instead of just pissing on it. Of course it is incomplete at 0.0.12. Was it over hyped? Sure. Good for him to have time for some marketing of his work next to _actually writing a working compiler with a good start for a standard library_ This thing is real and here to stay. How about this: instead of writing about frauds and vapourware, contribute to the proje…

Thanks :)

It's 0.0.12, the first public release. What's with all this "vaporware"?

The compiler can already compile itself in 0.3 seconds and is written 100% in V:

https://github.com/vlang/v#installing-v-from-source

It allows building easy cross platform graphical apps: https://github.com/vlang/v/tree/master/examples/tetris

It has easy cross compilation and can even compile itself for another platform: https://twitter.com/v_language/status/1137537130887077890

It allows to build small performant GUI apps like Volt: https://volt-app.com/ (Volt 1.0 RC 1 for macOS has been used by thousands of happy users for several months.)

It powers a simple forum: https://blog.vlang.io/forum And the entire forum is one 65 KB binary.

It can translate and build DOOM: https://github.com/vlang/doom

It has very extensive and simple to read documentation that covers pretty much the entire language: https://vlang.io/docs

I think it's pretty good for 0.0.12.

Come back when it's v1.0 by the end of this year.

Re: V Is for Vaporware

#5

Why does the internet care so much? My recollection of the events is that the guy put up a website for an in progress language. Someone else posted it on HN and people started shitting their pants. The author owes you nothing.

Your recollection is correct.

People don't like that it doesn't yet do everything perfect at 0.0.12.

Re: V Is for Vaporware

#6
post #2

It would be nice if people were supportive of this effort instead of just pissing on it. Of course it is incomplete at 0.0.12. Was it over hyped? Sure. Good for him to have time for some marketing of his work next to _actually writing a working compiler with a good start for a standard library_ This thing is real and here to stay. How about this: instead of writing about frauds and vapourware, contribute to the proje…

Thanks :) It's 0.0.12, the first public release. What's with all this "vaporware"? The compiler can already compile itself in 0.3 seconds and is written 100% in V: https://github.com/vlang/v#installing-v-from-source It allows building easy cross platform graphical apps: https://github.com/vlang/v/tree/master/examples/tetris It has easy cross compilation and can even compile itself for another platform: https://twitte…

It is fantastic work. Please don’t be discouraged and keep hacking on it.

I bet you could also build an active community of contributors around it.

Re: V Is for Vaporware

#7
Nice hit piece. All of the criticisms could have been patches. Most of the criticisms are exaggerated. Looks like it took 2s to build on the macbook instead of 1. The 'zero dependency' binary links to libc (as if most programmers wouldn't expect this.)

Re: V Is for Vaporware

#8
I don't understand these kinds of articles at all, maybe somebody can help me.

So the author has overhyped its creation. So what? Humans get attached to their creations and can't view them objectively. That's a documented psychological fact -- just look at your typical parent, their kids can do no wrong in their eyes.

I tried following V's story lately on HN and truthfully, I got very surprised by the ton of hate and insane nitpicking. I get it, things are promised and are not yet delivered. It's one guy. And he's creating a C language competitor. C has what, 40+ years of backing? I dare you to do better than him. I personally don't have the balls to even attempt such a thing. But at least I am not bashing the guy.

I actually applaud him for not being a typical introverted engineer and that he gets out of his way to address criticism here on HN -- not always constructively, granted, but I'm prety sure most of you cannot take that much flak and not snap. And he tries to make a semi-okay website.

V is not harmful to anyone in any way even if half the claims on its page are not true [yet]. Getting in $500 - $2000 of donations in a month for development of something like this is peanuts and does no harm to anybody, anywhere.

Are you aware there are dozens of Twitch "streamers" shaking cleavage on a webcam while failing at a videogame, raking in thousands of hard-earned $$$, and that this is happening every day for years now? Why don't you go piss at that?

Re: V Is for Vaporware

#9
The invention of programming languages is well trodden territory. The original author of this site has written about it: http://www.paulgraham.com/popular.html

It's hard to get excited about V if you've studied a lot of programming languages and watched some new ones come into use. I also recommend the Artima articles with the designer of C#: https://www.artima.com/intv/anders.html

Re: V Is for Vaporware

#10
Not sure the author understands what "Work in Progress" means.

A good portion of the article seems to be taking claims marked (WIP) and saying "hah! gotcha! this doesn't work yet!"

Almost like, I dunno, a work in progress.

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