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Magic Leap Says Ex-Engineer Copied Headset for China

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Re: Magic Leap Says Ex-Engineer Copied Headset for China

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Post by bodi »

adventured wrote: post #65
bodi wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So its even worse, our leaders gave them the crown jewels and got nothing in return you say?

That hinges on a very outlandish, entirely unsupported conspiracy theory that you floated in your initial post: that the US Government is intentionally allowing China to steal all the IP in question. The politicians in DC obviously love the idea of debasing their sole superpower status and their global power that goes with it. They like that notion so much, they've never been known to launch wars on the other side of…

You still believe (or are pushing the narrative at least..) the USA is a sovereign entity.

That's cute, especially after you've already mentioned the Fed and QE.

Re: Magic Leap Says Ex-Engineer Copied Headset for China

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Post by m0zg »

I'm pretty sure, actually, that this affects _every single company_ that has anything the Chinese government would want. If you want to tell me that there aren't any spies among e.g. 100K Intel/AMD/Qualcomm/Google/Microsoft/Amazon/Apple/Facebook/Tesla/SpaceX/etc employees, I'd say you're very naive. There are also likely domestic spies on staff, as well. You won't even know who they are, and all the right parties know everything they need to know. Basically any company of any consequence which doesn't do DoD-style clearances and compartmentalization for everyone has a bunch of spies on staff, 100% guaranteed.

Re: Magic Leap Says Ex-Engineer Copied Headset for China

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Post by wangii »

gamblor956 wrote: post #33

Chinese companies have a very long history of state-supported IP theft. When a Chinese product so obviously mimics an American product--especially when the chief engineer used to work for the American company--it's on the Chinese company to prove that no IP theft occurred. They've lost the benefit of the doubt.

define IP, please.

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Post by coverband »

Spooky23 wrote: post #58
shasheene wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may not be aware of the great talk titled "Modchips of the State" [1] (presented at 35C3 in Dec 2018). The speaker managed to reproduce the exact single-chip hardware implant attack suggested in the Oct 2018 Bloomberg Businessweek story [2] [3], which claimed Amazon and Apple found malicious hardware implants in Supermicro motherboards while conducting detailed inspections. While Bloomberg has never retracted the…

The fact Supermicro didn’t sue kind of says it all to me.

Indeed.

Re: Magic Leap Says Ex-Engineer Copied Headset for China

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Post by ETHisso2017 »

gamblor956 wrote: post #33

Chinese companies have a very long history of state-supported IP theft. When a Chinese product so obviously mimics an American product--especially when the chief engineer used to work for the American company--it's on the Chinese company to prove that no IP theft occurred. They've lost the benefit of the doubt.

What do you think about Eric Yuan and Zoom, then? He was the VP of Engineering at Webex before he left, and then he launched Zoom (with a mostly Chinese R&D team). Would you haul him in front of your imaginary court and prosecute him until he proved no IP theft occurred?

Re: Magic Leap Says Ex-Engineer Copied Headset for China

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Post by rdlecler1 »

bodi wrote: post #50
nullwasamistake wrote: post #42

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There's nothing wrong with pointing out a pattern

I like patterns too. For example have you ever noticed China artificially props up the US economy via bonds/debt/investment and in return has flagrantly been allowed to steal pretty much every byte of US IP, both from the private sector and defense with zero pushback from our "intelligence" community, legislature, and only a hand wavey stop it from the Obama admin? You still like patterns?

China has to put that money somewhere. Repatriate it and the yuan inflates destroying it’s pricing advantage. But buy USD and the greenback inflates in value and simultaneously drives monetary expansion with low interest rates. It’s in China’s commercial interest to buy treasuries. For the same reason, dumping the greenback would inflate the yuan-USD pair which would effectively tariff themselves.

Re: Magic Leap Says Ex-Engineer Copied Headset for China

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Post by ETHisso2017 »

dirtyid wrote: post #7

Nreal optical hardware is closer to ODGs and very different to Magic Leap. Magic Leap acquired ODG patent portfolio recently (after effectively killing them via some backstabby acquisition shenanigans) and is now opportunistically patent trolling Nreal and the increasing amount of Chinese competition (Nreal has much better visual quality at a much lower price) using post rationalized accusations given current US-Chin…

Could you elaborate on how Nreal is closer to ODG and different from Magic Leap?

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Post by ETHisso2017 »

This situation strikes me as very similar to what Eric Yuan of Zoom did. He was one of Webex's founding employees and the VP of Engineering for Webex after its acquisition by Cisco. He then left to build a lightweight competitor that's currently cleaning Webex's clock. I wonder if Cisco should sue Eric as well?

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Post by Leary »

gamblor956 wrote: post #33

Chinese companies have a very long history of state-supported IP theft. When a Chinese product so obviously mimics an American product--especially when the chief engineer used to work for the American company--it's on the Chinese company to prove that no IP theft occurred. They've lost the benefit of the doubt.

This is entirely ridiculous. IP theft should be proved in a court of law.
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