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Impossible Burger: Commitment to consumers and our planet led us to use GM soy

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Re: Impossible Burger: Commitment to consumers and our planet led us to use GM soy

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Post by Pinckney »

nradov wrote: post #8
mrbtc wrote: post #4

Related story: https://www.momsacrossamerica.com/gmo_impossible_burger_posi... > The levels of glyphosate detected in the Impossible burger by Health Research Institute Laboratories were 11 X higher than the Beyond Meat Burger. The total result (glyphosate and it’s break down AMPA) was 11.3 ppb. Moms Across America also tested the Beyond Meat Burger and the results were 1 ppb. > “We are shocked to find that the Impos…

The EPA safe level is about 140 mg/day for an average adult. There are proposals in progress to lower that. https://www.ewg.org/research/california-proposes-safe-level-...

11.3 ppb would be 1.2ug per burger then, right?

Re: Impossible Burger: Commitment to consumers and our planet led us to use GM soy

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Post by DVassallo »

ehmish wrote: post #9
DVassallo wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You really don’t see the relationship? The potential consequence of eating unnatural food that did not pass the test of time is catastrophic. Do this on a global scale, and the consequences could be global. Trans fats are another example.

Why do you think natural things are prima facie good ?

With “natural” I mean natural for humans to eat them. Those foods can be assumed safe because, by definition, they have been eaten by humans for hundreds of thousands of years. Can you say the same thing for GM food?

Re: Impossible Burger: Commitment to consumers and our planet led us to use GM soy

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Post by dehrmann »

mrbtc wrote: post #4

Related story: https://www.momsacrossamerica.com/gmo_impossible_burger_posi... > The levels of glyphosate detected in the Impossible burger by Health Research Institute Laboratories were 11 X higher than the Beyond Meat Burger. The total result (glyphosate and it’s break down AMPA) was 11.3 ppb. Moms Across America also tested the Beyond Meat Burger and the results were 1 ppb. > “We are shocked to find that the Impos…

> Only 0.1 ppb of glyphosate has been shown to alter the gene function of over 4000 genes in the livers, kidneys and cause severe organ damage in rats

How true is this? That number seems pretty low.

Re: Impossible Burger: Commitment to consumers and our planet led us to use GM soy

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Post by tptacek »

DVassallo wrote: post #12
ehmish wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think natural things are prima facie good ?

With “natural” I mean natural for humans to eat them. Those foods can be assumed safe because, by definition, they have been eaten by humans for hundreds of thousands of years. Can you say the same thing for GM food?

You can’t even say the same thing about broccoli.

Re: Impossible Burger: Commitment to consumers and our planet led us to use GM soy

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Post by batbomb »

DVassallo wrote: post #12
ehmish wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think natural things are prima facie good ?

With “natural” I mean natural for humans to eat them. Those foods can be assumed safe because, by definition, they have been eaten by humans for hundreds of thousands of years. Can you say the same thing for GM food?

Can you name one item at an organic grocery store that was eaten by modern humans even 50000 years ago?

Re: Impossible Burger: Commitment to consumers and our planet led us to use GM soy

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Post by 01100011 »

I'm all for GMO but I'm allergic to soy. I was disappointed when I heard they switched.

I developed a soy allergy when my mom decided to follow a fad in the 70s and switch me to soy in lieu of 'evil' cows' milk. One day my dad was watching me and got tired of having a continually sick infant. He switched me back to cows milk and I was fine after that.

Re: Impossible Burger: Commitment to consumers and our planet led us to use GM soy

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Post by cwyers »

DVassallo wrote: post #12
ehmish wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think natural things are prima facie good ?

With “natural” I mean natural for humans to eat them. Those foods can be assumed safe because, by definition, they have been eaten by humans for hundreds of thousands of years. Can you say the same thing for GM food?

Over the thousands of years we were eating foods before the inventions of GMOs, we had plenty of other ways to breed crops and livestock to be more desirable. We also tended to die a lot of malnutrition.

Re: Impossible Burger: Commitment to consumers and our planet led us to use GM soy

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Post by a_wild_dandan »

DVassallo wrote: post #5

The potential downside of GM food is human extinction. In the 80s and 90s the beef industry meddled with nature and started feeding animal meat to cows. The result was a disease that could have killed us all if we had eaten contaminated beef in the previous 10 years. If the genetic conditions that make people susceptible to vCJD were more common or universal, we might not be here today [1]. Grass-fed beef can be assu…

The potential downside of not worshiping Roko's Basilisk: Superintelligent Godess is similarly human extinction. She kills all pagans, you see. That's her thing. Kill the non-believers. Which is everyone, currently. Come to think of it...there are a literal infinitude of things which may result in our extinction. Zombies. Aliens. Rogue trapezists. Who knows!

But we don't sweat the zombie thing. There's not sufficient evidence that Roko's Basilisk will destroy us. Or aliens. And so on. And until significant evidence shows that GMOs will destroy us, they're in the same boat. As the old saw goes: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Doubly so for extinction claims.

Re: Impossible Burger: Commitment to consumers and our planet led us to use GM soy

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Post by hedora »

untog wrote: post #3

Good. Anti-GM crusades are a load of anti-science nonsense, and if you're serious about replacing a percentage of America's meat intake (as Impossible seems to be) then it only makes sense to make the most of GM crops to get you there.

They’re doing this so they can irresponsibly dump roundup on the soy plants without killing them.

Roundup is a non-specific herbicide, so this will damage the environment near the farms. Also, Roundup is almost certainly a carcinogen, and impossible burgers already have higher levels than competitors.

I definitely won’t be buying any more of their product.

Edit: Fun reading: https://www.regulations.gov/contentStreamer?documentId=EPA-H...

The US is updating exposure guidelines for 2019. For soy, they recommend treating 20ppm as acceptable, even though they recommend keeping dietary exposure below 1mg/kg. So... it will be legal for the GM soy that impossible will be using to have 20x more glyphosphate than is considered safe. Assuming their product is mostly soy... well, you can do the math.

On the bright side, they’re proposing tighter regulations regarding application and drift into adjacent farms.

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