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Libra, a Cyberpunk Nightmare in the Midst of Crypto Spring

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Re: Libra, a Cyberpunk Nightmare in the Midst of Crypto Spring

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You know, strategically, when you’re about to get super regulated and the government is touting antitrust probes: maybe don’t start something that competes with the Dollar.

I thought the same, but then it makes sense if you look at it from the sort of fuck-you attitude that FB leadership tends to have: "So you want to undermine us, fine. But what if we undermine you first?"

My read is that it IS the USD. '...it may actually cement the dollar as the world currency once and for all. As the Association mops up all the fiat in the world they’ll likely turn it into dollars on the back end anyway, so Euros and Yen become Dollars and cents.'

Re: Libra, a Cyberpunk Nightmare in the Midst of Crypto Spring

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You know, strategically, when you’re about to get super regulated and the government is touting antitrust probes: maybe don’t start something that competes with the Dollar.

They want regulation so they can capture the Gov, this is move is meant to accelerate this process.

Re: Libra, a Cyberpunk Nightmare in the Midst of Crypto Spring

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Libra isn't a cypherpunk wet dream, but it moves us in that direction and thats a good thing. This article is written from the perspective that crypto mass-adoption is right around the corner (i.e. just a few UX tweaks) and that Libra will displace the crypto-utopia that could-have-been. I couldn't disagree more.

The lack of adoption is a combo of a 1) network "dead-zone", 2) reversal risk, and 3) regulatory friction.

FB & Co are uniquely situated to fix these 3 in a way small companies just can't.

1) Any network is useless unless people you need to use the network are using it. Cryptos are still in the "dead-zone" where there's not enough people using it where it has value as a payment platform. By integrating into existing apps (Venmo, FB Messenger, Paypal) that could change

2) Every fiat transaction has some level of reversal risk. There is legislation in the US that requires, and companies that implement, reversal of payments if the payor claims fraud or account takeover. Any company that sits in between fiat systems and the crypto systems have a huge amount of this risk cause they can't reverse crypto payments. These companies are uniquely capable of handling this risk because they already spending resources to figuring out that you're a real human being and you are who you say you are.

3) Regulatory friction (AML/KYC) is something these companies are uniquely able to tackle because they have your identity. Furthermore, they have the legal resources to find out how far they can push the line and lobbying to keep them from harm when they get too close.

Re: Libra, a Cyberpunk Nightmare in the Midst of Crypto Spring

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You know, strategically, when you’re about to get super regulated and the government is touting antitrust probes: maybe don’t start something that competes with the Dollar.

They want regulation so they can capture the Gov, this is move is meant to accelerate this process.

Bingo. Next stage too big to fail.

In the current climate of accelerating a new cold war, and potentially a hot one with Iran, the gov needs to take back control of all it's propaganda channels. FB has proven itself here as very valuable asset for disseminating view-points and is "too valuable" not to be unregulated

Re: Libra, a Cyberpunk Nightmare in the Midst of Crypto Spring

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> By pegging it to a flurry of other currencies they’ve started the planet down the path of ditching the dollar as the default world currency. That's probably false. FB's coin will be at the mercy of the Fed and ECB, and most likely will be an equal or worse choice than any of the fiat currencies in the basket , considering central banks move in concert these days. It doesn't seem FB will pose any real threat to cent…

>FB's coin will be at the mercy of the Fed and ECB

Only if the currency flows out of traditional Fiat and into Libra don't substantially affect currency prices or the effect is more or less universal.

For instance, if the euro loses 10% value in a given period of time while 3 other equally weighted currencies are relatively stable, libra would lose ~2.5% value in that time. Given the low risk this seems like an obvious hedge if you are heavy in euro, and momentum could easily snowball.

Re: Libra, a Cyberpunk Nightmare in the Midst of Crypto Spring

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Something I haven't seen mentioned anywhere yet is the amount of power controlling the reserve will grant the libra association. They are free to move the reserve around between "low risk" investments. If the reserve grows to a large size that will mean they can prop up a (small) countries currency (and thus economy) by using the reserve to buy some of it, or it can crash a (small) countries currency that it is curre…

Capital flight is already a thing. But large scale speculation on the economies of random small foreign countries isn't a "low risk" investment and the Libra Association has literally no incentive to move the backing of assets away from bonds denominated in currencies its user base wish to convert to.

> Capital flight is already a thing.

Sure, but if this succeeds they will have order of magnitudes more capital to do it with than is already a thing.

> large scale speculation on the economies of random small foreign countries isn't a "low risk" investment

They are the ones who get to define the term "low risk", as part of a basket of many such economies it deserves the term as well.

> the Libra Association has literally no incentive to move the backing of assets away from bonds denominated in currencies its user base wish to convert to.

Of course it does, and not just in terms of exerting political pressure (which is an incentive which is literally the purpose of this conversation) but in terms of maintaining a safe basket of goods with as high interest rates as possible.

Re: Libra, a Cyberpunk Nightmare in the Midst of Crypto Spring

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Re: India

The connections to Aadhar is far more interesting than is mentioned in the article. There is a revolving door between USAID's 'Catalyst' promoting cashless transactions, Aadhar and the people who benefited from demonetization. The Indian state has also been extremely antagonistic to Bitcoin and other such 'anarchist' platforms.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/a-well-kept-open-secret-washin...

The state apparatus often grumbles about 'terrorism' and how internet has made things difficult for them. Infact, the minister incharge of IT was quoted as saying in 2011 that internet access needs to be moderated with IDs (guess which one). It's almost certain that such legislation will be authorized in the coming decade - perhaps sooner if the "i-patriot" act which is in the waiting (in the US) passes earlier.

It may very well be that the retainers of the East India company (aka deep state) are planning on selling the nation for a few pieces of silver again - which would explain why policies remain uniformly the same with every dispensation. Would not be the first time, and should not be surprising. However, since history education follows the colonial model of cryptic self-justification, it should not surprise anyone that clear foreign geopolitical moves (India has close to half a trillion of IMF/WB loans) are now seen as 'nationalistic'.

It'll be very interesting to see how this proceeds in India - given its hostile stance on Bitcoin. I'm betting the state will welcome it with open arms and will probably proceed to tie it to UPI. In fact this could take a big share of the foreign remittance market, and could rope in Indian banks in to influence the state. I imagine people like Nandan Nilekani, who illegally pushed the 'Big Brother' project, will play crucial roles here.

Re: Libra, a Cyberpunk Nightmare in the Midst of Crypto Spring

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"Most talked about in history"? Needs citation... And the hyperbole is constant through the midpoint of the article, where I stopped reading.

It's a hackernoon opinion blog post, not the New York Times. And you don't need a citation for something that is clearly meant to be hyperbole. [Citation needed] has gone from a notation about checking facts to a trendy response whenever someone doesn't like something they read in a blog post or comment.

I don’t think that hyperbole, “clearly” intentional or not, should be given a free pass by readers simply because it’s an opinion piece.

I also found the tone of the article a bit off, and it has nothing to do with whether I agree or disagree with any of it.

Re: Libra, a Cyberpunk Nightmare in the Midst of Crypto Spring

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You know, strategically, when you’re about to get super regulated and the government is touting antitrust probes: maybe don’t start something that competes with the Dollar.

"it may actually cement the dollar as the world currency once and for all"

On the other hand, "we respect privacy" != "panopticon money."

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