Report on forced organ harvesting in China

Post by LocalH » Sat, Jun 22, 2019, 2:42 PM UTC

monkeyodeath wrote: post #106

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I think the OP was merely opining that they'd rather see this, than people dying for pure profit motive. I know that, were I provided a choice between killing someone for forced organ donation that could potentially save lives, versus killing someone for greed, profit, or punishment , with no way to say "no", I'd choose the former. Making it clear, however, that I'd rather never have to make that choice in the first…

I see where you're coming from. I guess to me, it makes no moral difference. The means corrupt the end. The Nazis managed to get some useful science out of the Jews during the Holocaust, but it's hard to see that as a silver lining. I think that if you're at the level of making those kinds of choices, you're already living in hell.

Post by Barrin92 » Sat, Jun 22, 2019, 2:42 PM UTC

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While I'd imagine you'd ignore U.S. abuses and provocations, (Iran?), I imagine? Is China worse than Saudi Arabia for example? Because I can't imagine U.S. speaking strongly against KSA, can you? The U.S. doesn't really care about human rights, or its own abuse of them, (was any top official prosecuted for Iraq?), so you'd be voting for posturing.

Whataboutism is called a fallacy for a reason...Suggesting a wrong isn't wrong because of others actions of wrong is middle school age moral logic at best. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Post by sam_lowry_ » Sat, Jun 22, 2019, 2:43 PM UTC

Bakary wrote: post #107

sam_lowry_ wrote: post #99

«hundreds of Chinese scientific papers might be compromised due to their reliance upon thousands of unethically sourced organs.» This is like saying that theses people died or were killed, and now some dumbsters will take away even the slightest hope that their death was somehow useful for the rest of us. If I were dying in a concentration camp from the experiments of Doctor Mengele, knowing that my death would contr…

That's an interesting perspective, but faced with an immediate painful death I doubt science would be on your mind. Not to mention that it's not known if the research obtained is useful at all. There's already a serious crisis in Chinese science in terms of falsified results.

Post by sam_lowry_ » Sat, Jun 22, 2019, 2:46 PM UTC

NeedMoreTea wrote: post #108

sam_lowry_ wrote: post #99

«hundreds of Chinese scientific papers might be compromised due to their reliance upon thousands of unethically sourced organs.» This is like saying that theses people died or were killed, and now some dumbsters will take away even the slightest hope that their death was somehow useful for the rest of us. If I were dying in a concentration camp from the experiments of Doctor Mengele, knowing that my death would contr…

The only thing Mengele contributed to science, unintentionally, was the Nuremburg Code. A set of ethical principles for human experimentation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Code

Post by sam_lowry_ » Sat, Jun 22, 2019, 2:47 PM UTC

devoply wrote: post #112

sam_lowry_ wrote: post #99

«hundreds of Chinese scientific papers might be compromised due to their reliance upon thousands of unethically sourced organs.» This is like saying that theses people died or were killed, and now some dumbsters will take away even the slightest hope that their death was somehow useful for the rest of us. If I were dying in a concentration camp from the experiments of Doctor Mengele, knowing that my death would contr…

Yes if I were a Jew I would be very happy that I may die so the true Aryan race can be born. /s Not a very sound line of reasoning.