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Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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Post by tjoff »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #77
tjoff wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is nothing unique to Tesla. If they were serious about full self driving there wouldn't be any reason to bother with autopilot.

I'm amazed that you can agree it would drop rear-endings to near zero, and then immediately say there is no reason to bother with it. Do you think a level 4/5 system would be done already if they hadn't made a level 2?

That's not what I said.

You can have automatic braking without having such an unsafe system.

Other brands do...

It isn't ethical, not that I expect them to care. But I don't think a sane company would play so loosely with peoples lives when they are fully dependent on complete trust when they launch something with full automation.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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Post by Dayshine »

valine wrote: post #39
jlogsdon wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's even on their official sites demo video! As shared in another comment https://www.tesla.com/autopilot

It clearly states that the functionality in the video is coming in a future update. Its a video showing what the model 3 hardware is capable of once the software and regulation catches up.

No it doesn't.

On the Model S page one feature is called "Autopilot: Future of Driving".

The Autopilot page then leads with a still shot of a driver not touching the wheel. If you press play it says "He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself".

Sure, about 2/3 page lengths further down, hidden in the middle of a paragraph, it caveats it. But unless you read the fine-print, it's advertising hands free driving.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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Post by camjohnson26 »

mjamesaustin wrote: post #100
Cookingboy wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you go to certain sub-Reddits or other similar forums, you will see that there is a tremendous amount of misinformation associated with Tesla, Tesla Auto Pilot, driver assist technology and Full Self Driving technology in general. I largely blame the absurdly irresponsible misinformation campaign spearheaded by Tesla and Elon personally. It's awful to get the public's understand of a nascent and potential game cha…

Tesla recently did an accidents/mile comparison of their own cars with Autopilot engaged vs not engaged and found a noticeable decrease in accident rates for Autopilot driving compared to manual driving. Some of that difference could be accounted for in the types of miles customers choose to activate autopilot on vs drive manually, but it's certainly a positive sign.

I would say virtually all of the difference is because autopilot is engaged when driving is easy and humans intervene often. Look at the forums and you’ll see tons of stories of shadow braking and lane merging problems.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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Post by stevesimmons »

natch wrote: post #98
fwip wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“I think we will be ‘feature-complete’ on full self-driving this year, meaning the car will be able to find you in a parking lot, pick you up, take you all the way to your destination without an intervention this year,” Musk said during a podcast interview with the money management firm ARK Invest, which is a Tesla investor. “I am certain of that. That is not a question mark.”

Yep. Not a promise by any understanding of the word. He’s just saying what he thinks.

He's not some random person. He's the CEO and driving force behind a company that is investing billions in getting to FSD.

If he "thinks" it is achievable with that short timeframe, he must have a project plan with milestones being predictably achieved in accordance with that schedule.

If instead there's no such plan, or the progress is not in line with prior internal expectations, he doesn't "think" it is achievable, he wishes it, and it is unlikely to be achieved by that time.

Whether it is a promise or not isn't the point!

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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Post by camjohnson26 »

pbreit wrote: post #90
jrochkind1 wrote: post #13

So I take it it's NOT okay to take your hands off the wheel with Tesla Autopilot? I am not familiar with the technology. The Tesla page on it ( https://www.tesla.com/autopilot ) takes a while to get to describing what it does , but then says, among other things: > Autopilot enables your car to steer, accelerate and brake automatically within its lane. And: > With the new Tesla Vision cameras, sensors and computing po…

It's OK but they have to tell you not to.

It’s “Ok” until you’re involved in a fatal accident and Tesla blames you for not having your hands on the wheel. Doesn’t matter that Elon himself has demoed it hands off, each of the autopilot fatalities was the fault of the driver.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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Post by camjohnson26 »

6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: post #89

>Tesla also pointed out: “... If IIHS is opposed to the name ‘Autopilot,’ presumably they are equally opposed to the name ‘Automobile.’ ” Seriously? This reads like internet trolls. But it's from a public company.

From the CEO who called a hero rescue diver “Pedo guy”

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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Post by camjohnson26 »

bayareanative wrote: post #92

Reminds me of the YT videos of people caught sleeping in the drivers' seats of their Teslas on their ways to work. It's a behavior that should be possible but isn't yet assured to be safe enough to be allowed. #Affluenza

It isn’t safe at all, please please no one ever do this. People have died on autopilot and sleep may have been involved. Just because your car won’t kill you for the first hour of sleep does not mean that it won’t at some point over the next few years. Auto accidents are actually pretty rare things to individuals and it’s very easy to normalize extremely unsafe behavior.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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Post by camjohnson26 »

viraptor wrote: post #86
mdorazio wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, absolutely [1]. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-24296544

They don't "sleep" as in regularly take planned naps due to trust in autopilot. They fall asleep, causing danger to passengers. Same thing happens on the road to drivers without autopilot - they just rarely get to talk about it afterwards.

People are more likely to fall asleep if they think they have a safety net. Also, autopilot automatically disengages when no input is detected on the steering wheel so if you fall asleep it’s going to turn off.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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Post by camjohnson26 »

trimbo wrote: post #51
valine wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It clearly states that the functionality in the video is coming in a future update. Its a video showing what the model 3 hardware is capable of once the software and regulation catches up.

> once the software and regulation catches up. What regulation needs to catch up?

There is none.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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Post by x38iq84n »

Retric wrote: post #55
Swizec wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I watch the cars around me, I look ahead down the road and check mirrors more frequently. I havent tried tesla autopilot yet so I don’t know how much easier it makes driving, but if steering[1] keeps you from doing these things ... should you be on the road at all? If you’re too tired to both steer and maintain situational awareness you should probably take a rest :/ [1] steering, more like keeping the wheel steady…

Cognitive load is a real thing. People have a finite ability to multitask especially with similar actions. The only possible approach to driving to to not pay attention to most things as you focus on something specific and then cycle through each activity. Further, when you are forced to pay attention to something specific you must spend less time focusing on other things.

Babysitting Autopilot that can unpredictably steer me into a concrete barrier would be more demanding than driving a car that is more predictable.
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