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Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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Post by ryanlol »

mdorazio wrote: post #28
ydj wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see the use of “autopilot” name bring brought up a lot. Thinking about what an autopilot in an airplane does, labeling Tesla’s system autopilot is actually pretty apt. It’s unfortunate that there’s a disconnect between what autopilot means colloquially vs what it actually does on a plane.

> what an autopilot in an airplane does ...Flies the plane safely with zero input from the pilot (hands off the yoke) indefinitely? Lands the plane on its own [1]? I'm well aware that autopilot systems need input directions for desired altitude and air speed, but the semantic distinction people try to draw between "real" autopilot and Tesla's autopilot capabilities have never made sense to me. [1] https://en.wikipedi…

>Safely with zero input... indefinitely

It is very possible to hit people in the air if you aren’t paying attention

>Lands the plane on its own

Autolanding is not autopilot, it’s autolanding.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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Post by fwip »

natch wrote: post #88
Cookingboy wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you go to certain sub-Reddits or other similar forums, you will see that there is a tremendous amount of misinformation associated with Tesla, Tesla Auto Pilot, driver assist technology and Full Self Driving technology in general. I largely blame the absurdly irresponsible misinformation campaign spearheaded by Tesla and Elon personally. It's awful to get the public's understand of a nascent and potential game cha…

While you make some interesting points, you are playing fast and loose with the difference between predictions and promises. Elon says he thinks development cars will have FSD by the end of the year and you take it as a "promise" that they will have it and a "claim" that it will then be in production cars shortly thereafter. He couched his predictions with a lot of caveats that you are ignoring while you engage in di…

“I think we will be ‘feature-complete’ on full self-driving this year, meaning the car will be able to find you in a parking lot, pick you up, take you all the way to your destination without an intervention this year,” Musk said during a podcast interview with the money management firm ARK Invest, which is a Tesla investor. “I am certain of that. That is not a question mark.”

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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Post by fwip »

m463 wrote: post #49
darpa_escapee wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a strange claim without any evidence to back it up. It's the first video on their "Autopilot" page. There's absolutely no mention of features that don't exist yet in the video. You have to scroll all the way to the bottom of the page for any mention of full self-driving. I'd believe your claim if the video was under the headline of "Full Self-driving", but it isn't.

I guess the title doesn't show up. When you pull up the video in vimeo, the title is "Autopilot Full Self-Driving Hardware (Neighborhood Short)"

"Hardware."

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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Post by coss »

viraptor wrote: post #81
zaroth wrote: post #16

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They are thinking the same thing as people who drive drunk. People can be idiots. You have to actively disable safety measures in order to get the car to drive for any kind of extended period without applying force to the wheel. Anyone caught doing this intentionally should be cited for impaired driving same as a DUI. Then there are the people who legitimately fall asleep at the wheel and AutoPilot saves their lives,…

> They are thinking the same thing as people who drive drunk. They're worse. People who drive drunk don't necessarily make a fully conscious decision to do that. Their judgement is already impaired. But if they think that sleeping with autopilot on is reasonable, that's 100% on them. It's something they decided ahead of time.

Lots of studies show that people who are sleep deprived are just as bad with judgement.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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Post by davidgould »

ghufran_syed wrote: post #64
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #32

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> So it's steering... but you're supposed to leave your hands on the wheel anyway? But not actually steering, just resting there just in case? I'm not sure how realistic this is in terms of human behavior. I have an Acura, so no autopilot, but it allows my car to steer, accelerate, and brake automatically within its lane. Also, if I don't apply control to the steering wheel (let alone have my hands off of it) for mor…

I was worried about the “diffusion of responsibility” issue, so I rented one on Turo for the day and drove around 200 miles on freeways in Northern California. The user interface is really good, you learn pretty quickly the right amount of force to hold the wheel - then you can let it “autosteer”, but taking control is instantaneous, you just make the movement you want and the car disengages autosteer instantly. I pr…

> in the left-hand lane with the left edge of the freeway marked with 2-foot-high white concrete barriers, it felt like it wanted to go into them. But that might just have been the car trying to drive “properly” in the center of the lane, while I tend to hug the right side in those situations

I do this too. It is actually really good at holding the lane center, probably better than I am unless I'm really focused. But, it is more serene about the barrier than I am so sometimes I'll flinch away and end up driving again.

I was really impressed in the heavy rains we had a few weeks ago. At night in the storm I could barely make out the lanes but the car had a solid picture of not just my lane but the adjacent lanes as well. What ever filtering they are doing is impressive.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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Post by viraptor »

coss wrote: post #95
viraptor wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They are thinking the same thing as people who drive drunk. They're worse. People who drive drunk don't necessarily make a fully conscious decision to do that. Their judgement is already impaired. But if they think that sleeping with autopilot on is reasonable, that's 100% on them. It's something they decided ahead of time.

Lots of studies show that people who are sleep deprived are just as bad with judgement.

That's a different question though. The people were asked if they considered it safe in general. They were not in a situation when they were sleep deprived (hopefully).

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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Post by natch »

fwip wrote: post #93
natch wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While you make some interesting points, you are playing fast and loose with the difference between predictions and promises. Elon says he thinks development cars will have FSD by the end of the year and you take it as a "promise" that they will have it and a "claim" that it will then be in production cars shortly thereafter. He couched his predictions with a lot of caveats that you are ignoring while you engage in di…

“I think we will be ‘feature-complete’ on full self-driving this year, meaning the car will be able to find you in a parking lot, pick you up, take you all the way to your destination without an intervention this year,” Musk said during a podcast interview with the money management firm ARK Invest, which is a Tesla investor. “I am certain of that. That is not a question mark.”

Yep. Not a promise by any understanding of the word. He’s just saying what he thinks.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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Post by kwhitefoot »

nerdbaggy wrote: post #57
jrochkind1 wrote: post #13

So I take it it's NOT okay to take your hands off the wheel with Tesla Autopilot? I am not familiar with the technology. The Tesla page on it ( https://www.tesla.com/autopilot ) takes a while to get to describing what it does , but then says, among other things: > Autopilot enables your car to steer, accelerate and brake automatically within its lane. And: > With the new Tesla Vision cameras, sensors and computing po…

Ahh the old Tesla and orange trick https://youtu.be/rOST5S06F-o

All very amusing, except that it no longer works.

Re: Study: Tesla Autopilot misleading, overestimated more than similar technology

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Post by mjamesaustin »

Cookingboy wrote: post #83
neotek wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Tesla is making progress, and regardless of whether they survive these various courts of public opinion, they're helping to lay the ground work for safer roads by forcing the industry to integrate more and more automated safety systems. They're also wilfully misrepresenting the quality and safety of their technology to their customers, presenting intentionally misleading statistics to the media about it, and attempt…

If you go to certain sub-Reddits or other similar forums, you will see that there is a tremendous amount of misinformation associated with Tesla, Tesla Auto Pilot, driver assist technology and Full Self Driving technology in general. I largely blame the absurdly irresponsible misinformation campaign spearheaded by Tesla and Elon personally. It's awful to get the public's understand of a nascent and potential game cha…

Tesla recently did an accidents/mile comparison of their own cars with Autopilot engaged vs not engaged and found a noticeable decrease in accident rates for Autopilot driving compared to manual driving.

Some of that difference could be accounted for in the types of miles customers choose to activate autopilot on vs drive manually, but it's certainly a positive sign.

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