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Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support

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Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support

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But the 32 bit code physically won't be part of the distribution. What do you imagine you'd be running?

I figured there would be a 3rd party repo that provides the required packages for Wine.

There could be. This article is just about how Ubuntu isn't going to provide that code any more. But it's all the system libraries, not just Wine.

Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support

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I do use Wine (and Steam with it's various levels of Windows API calling), and I am happy about this. Sure, it will create some issues during the first stages of this migration, but, more than once, I botched my system in the past with the needed i386 libraries (it didn't happen lately, can't tell if because I finally got my head around it of because they improved the tooling). Still, in the end, we will all have a "…

I think even if you got the drivers working you'd have too much latency. You need the PREEMPT_RT kernel patch to get reliably low latency. You can also try Bitwig, it has native Ubuntu support and most feature parity with Ableton.

I'm so happy that Bitwig is supporting Linux as a first class platform, but it's still unstable enough on Linux that I would never consider using Bitwig on Linux for, e.g., a live performance.

I'm sure they consider crashes on Linux real bugs, so hopefully it's just a few more years of work to have a rock solid DAW on Linux. Super excited about the future of Bitwig.

Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support

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This will make me more likely to spin up a ReactOS VM if I really want to run any Windows only software, since running Windows in a VM is very resource consuming. I was looking at computers at Walmart with only 4GB of RAM, the task manager said 3 GB out of 4 GB were being used, and it was just on standby. I don't know what happened around Windows 8 to 10 but having 8 GB of RAM is too little for Windows, the OS takes…

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Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support

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This will make me more likely to spin up a ReactOS VM if I really want to run any Windows only software, since running Windows in a VM is very resource consuming. I was looking at computers at Walmart with only 4GB of RAM, the task manager said 3 GB out of 4 GB were being used, and it was just on standby. I don't know what happened around Windows 8 to 10 but having 8 GB of RAM is too little for Windows, the OS takes…

Yep

That, and it's also almost impossible to run Windows 8 or 10 with a HDD drive, even for basic stuff like internet browsing, etc.

SSD is basically required now.

Sad, because Linux is still pretty fast with HDD for basic usage.

Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support

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64-bit WINE exists on macOS now, I have it installed on my MacBook Air. But 64-bit WINE can't run 32-bit Windows apps because it's not an emulator, it's a binary loader and a set of system libraries.

This is really frustrating to me because I am dependant on a small handful of 32 bit Windows Apps, and happily run them in Wine on my Mac currently. I've been wondering what the solution would be after Catilina dropped 32 bit support and I guess the answer is I'll probably have to start launching an entire VM.

Do you mind if I ask what apps these are which you can't find modern replacements for?

Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support

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This will make me more likely to spin up a ReactOS VM if I really want to run any Windows only software, since running Windows in a VM is very resource consuming. I was looking at computers at Walmart with only 4GB of RAM, the task manager said 3 GB out of 4 GB were being used, and it was just on standby. I don't know what happened around Windows 8 to 10 but having 8 GB of RAM is too little for Windows, the OS takes…

Yep That, and it's also almost impossible to run Windows 8 or 10 with a HDD drive, even for basic stuff like internet browsing, etc. SSD is basically required now. Sad, because Linux is still pretty fast with HDD for basic usage.

Can confirm, had a huge "WTF?" on installing Win8 on an HDD and seeing the friggin' OS UI pause constantly for no obvious reason. It was like running Win98 on a 75Mhz Pentium with 16MB of RAM. On my beefy quad-core Intel with 16GB of RAM. Added an SSD, problem went away. They're relying on the SSD to make up for some really lazy crap in their code.

Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support

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I exclusively use Linux for work and personal use, and I only use Wine for games. It works surprisingly well, but sometimes requires some arcane tweaking (which you can google, thankfully). I can't see myself using Wine for anything else.

If you've got a tutorial for this I'd be interested (I really wanna run Sq8L on Linux in Renoise)

Hi! I really only use Wine for games. I wouldn't use Wine to run any other kind of software, but that might just be prejudice on my part.

I can't point you to an exact tutorial. I usually just google "[name of game] wine ubuntu how to" or occasionally "[name of game] [problem I'm experiencing] wine ubuntu" :) I suppose you could follow the same procedure to install arbitrary software.

Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support

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post #129

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64-bit WINE exists on macOS now, I have it installed on my MacBook Air. But 64-bit WINE can't run 32-bit Windows apps because it's not an emulator, it's a binary loader and a set of system libraries.

This is really frustrating to me because I am dependant on a small handful of 32 bit Windows Apps, and happily run them in Wine on my Mac currently. I've been wondering what the solution would be after Catilina dropped 32 bit support and I guess the answer is I'll probably have to start launching an entire VM.

We're working on running 32-bit Wine applications on 64-bit-only macOS for CrossOver, but it's a huge and difficult problem.

Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support

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I'm curious about Wine's usage and relevance at this point in the Linux desktop story. My assumption is that Linux users(myself included) that use Windows applications(not games), tend to just run a VM in seamless mode for Windows functionality. I would be curious if others had any insight(anecdotal or otherwise) about Wine usage these days.

Perfect timing.

Yesterday, I urgently needed to run a piece of software on one of my systems. I had two versions of that software on hand: One for linux and one for windows.

The linux version flat-out refused to run. In my desperation, I installed wine and (to my surprise and the surprise of my coworkers) the windows version ran flawlessly.

Granted, the specifics surrounding my situation was far from typical, but I wouldn't be surprised that the majority of wine usage is also atypical in one way or another. Measuring wine's relevance by your own (or my own) use cases will likely only lead to inaccurate conclusions.

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