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Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support

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Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support

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Post by wmil »

yawaw0rht wrote: post #30
fifnir wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why not GIMP and Inkscape?

Not sure why you're being downvoted. This is a legitimate question. Although my sibling comment might offer an explanation to your downvotes. Edit: HN's really gone downhill. I thought we didn't downvote with feelings around here? All I did was point out that it's a legitimate question for people who don't have much experience with Photoshop, GIMP, etc.

Inkscape just released their 1.0alpha. You can argue about naming conventions all you want but here's the reality. It is just not a mature professional product in the same category as Illustrator.

Similarly GIMP has a lot of oddities that Adobe would have found unacceptable in Photoshop versions released 25 years ago. You can do real work in GIMP, but the polish just isn't there.

Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support

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Post by deafcalculus »

momokoko wrote: post #7

I'm curious about Wine's usage and relevance at this point in the Linux desktop story. My assumption is that Linux users(myself included) that use Windows applications(not games), tend to just run a VM in seamless mode for Windows functionality. I would be curious if others had any insight(anecdotal or otherwise) about Wine usage these days.

Teamviewer (remote desktop software) on Linux uses Wine. At least it used to; haven't used it in a while.

Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

devit wrote: post #31

I think you can just use 32-bit libraries from Debian for the most part (I assume Debian is going to maintain i386 forever).

I would be concerned about the stability of mixing distros like that, even within a family. If nothing else, those packages are built against different versions of libraries.

Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support

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Post by peterangular »

yawaw0rht wrote: post #30
fifnir wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why not GIMP and Inkscape?

Not sure why you're being downvoted. This is a legitimate question. Although my sibling comment might offer an explanation to your downvotes. Edit: HN's really gone downhill. I thought we didn't downvote with feelings around here? All I did was point out that it's a legitimate question for people who don't have much experience with Photoshop, GIMP, etc.

People downvote when they disagree - plain and simple.

If you're suggesting GIMP and Inkscape to someone coming from a pro-level career/background it shows complete ignorance on the topic.

Lots of the time I see this sort of brazen opensource can replace anything/everything attitude - it's simply not true + very idealist. It's likely a ton of pros who use graphics software are coming through and expressing similar thoughts through the downvote button... which in some ways is a "don't take this seriously" button.

Anywho - I agree that the parent comment shouldn't be downvoted, it's a legitimate question to ask if you have no experience in graphics.

Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

chrisseaton wrote: post #37
bstar77 wrote: post #12

Can't you still setup a 32bit chroot in 64bit Ubuntu (or any other distro for that matter)?

But the 32 bit code physically won't be part of the distribution. What do you imagine you'd be running?

32-bit Debian chroot on 64-bit Ubuntu? Works, mostly conforms to user expectations, seems decent?

Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support

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Post by postit »

In the current state of technology, wine doesn’t make sense anymore.

20-ish years ago was impossible to have an interchangeable application between two OS, without a huge effort on porting and adaptations trade off. Now we have the web applications running in a handful of different systems. We’re also watching the people theorizing supporting webassembly binaries directly in the kernel. If you don’t want to run a webapp you have virtualization to rescue you.

My last straw with Wine was when I bought navicat for Linux and they shipped a wine wrapped windows app. Really, some tech should just retire.

Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support

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Post by holy_city »

wtdata wrote: post #4

I do use Wine (and Steam with it's various levels of Windows API calling), and I am happy about this. Sure, it will create some issues during the first stages of this migration, but, more than once, I botched my system in the past with the needed i386 libraries (it didn't happen lately, can't tell if because I finally got my head around it of because they improved the tooling). Still, in the end, we will all have a "…

I think even if you got the drivers working you'd have too much latency. You need the PREEMPT_RT kernel patch to get reliably low latency.

You can also try Bitwig, it has native Ubuntu support and most feature parity with Ableton.

Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support

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Post by speeder »

Lots of people in my company use Ubuntu and Wine...

Those news indeed are concerning, specially because a lot of "bureacracy" related software is win32 only for stupid reasons (there is even one company that purchases from us, that only negotiate the actual deals using a online platform that only runs on IE6 and needs some Win32 plugins...)

Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support

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Post by deng »

deafcalculus wrote: post #72
momokoko wrote: post #7

I'm curious about Wine's usage and relevance at this point in the Linux desktop story. My assumption is that Linux users(myself included) that use Windows applications(not games), tend to just run a VM in seamless mode for Windows functionality. I would be curious if others had any insight(anecdotal or otherwise) about Wine usage these days.

Teamviewer (remote desktop software) on Linux uses Wine. At least it used to; haven't used it in a while.

It's native now (uses Qt):

https://community.teamviewer.com/t5/Community-Blog/The-Wait-...

Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support

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Post by bluGill »

boybd wrote: post #38
momokoko wrote: post #7

I'm curious about Wine's usage and relevance at this point in the Linux desktop story. My assumption is that Linux users(myself included) that use Windows applications(not games), tend to just run a VM in seamless mode for Windows functionality. I would be curious if others had any insight(anecdotal or otherwise) about Wine usage these days.

15 years ago I considered switching to Linux. I depend on some Windows applications and, above all, I want to play games. Wine looked like it was almost there, so I intended to give it another try next year. Year by year I've been trying Wine again and again. As of today, it's still almost there. So, maybe in 2030? By now, I'll stay using Windows.

You keep changing the goalpost. Odds are if you were willing to live with the versions you were using 15 years ago you would find Wine works just fine. Probably even if you just stuck with the versions you were using 5 years ago.
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