I think you can just use 32-bit libraries from Debian for the most part (I assume Debian is going to maintain i386 forever).
Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support
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Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah - me too. As someone who's always needed Photoshop and Illustrator in my workflow I have tried to use wine on multiple occasions with no success. Never once was I able to get it configured to the point of usability/stability. VMware Workstation is the only thing that's ever scratched the itch. I've always thought that Wine is just a compatibility layer for games and entertainment because actual professional soft…
why not GIMP and Inkscape?
I’m not the person you replied to but...
I use Inkscape and Gimp at work, very tiny minor part of a small part of my workflow.
Today Inkscape was crashing when I tried to rotate a spline with six nodes in an otherwise empty workspace.
I’m probably going to buy a commercial vector graphics app even though my employer won’t pay for it because that sort of bug is a show stopper right when I need the program most.
Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support
#33I'm curious about Wine's usage and relevance at this point in the Linux desktop story. My assumption is that Linux users(myself included) that use Windows applications(not games), tend to just run a VM in seamless mode for Windows functionality. I would be curious if others had any insight(anecdotal or otherwise) about Wine usage these days.
Fantasy Grounds is virtual tabletop RPG software, for doing things like playing D&D or Call of Cthulhu with friends over the internet. It's a desktop application which all participants install, and the players' computers connect to the computer of the person running the game. It has features to handle various polyhedral dice and modifiers, character sheets and stats, maps, etc.
A full discussion of FG or a comparison vs the browser-based competitor Roll20 would be off-topic, but the company behind FG officially supports Windows, Mac, and Linux.
Their app is a Windows app on all platforms. For Linux, they test and document Wine, and I can confirm firsthand that it works.
For Mac, I think Wine is involved too, but although they do have documentation about that case, I think most of FG's Mac users (and many of their Windows users) install it via Steam without having to care about Wine. They don't have a version packaged through Steam for Linux.
This example may go away in 2019 or in an upcoming year: they're working on a rewrite to be based on Unity. But this isn't a case where they can just use Unity for the next game in a series. They have a long-standing product with a lot of features and users that shouldn't be broken in the transition, and a small staff that has other priorities alongside the rewrite. The product just happens to be a tool for gaming. So the rewrite has understandably been a slow years-long background effort.
Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support
#34I'm curious about Wine's usage and relevance at this point in the Linux desktop story. My assumption is that Linux users(myself included) that use Windows applications(not games), tend to just run a VM in seamless mode for Windows functionality. I would be curious if others had any insight(anecdotal or otherwise) about Wine usage these days.
I run mIRC on Wine. I know, I know, there are plenty of Linux native IRC clients. In fact, mIRC has been quite stagnant lately. But to me, its UI is still unsurpassed (20 years of muscle memory also help), and it has less latency than alternatives (even with Wine).
I would never ever have guessed such use case.
Another proof that you never know how people will use your software.
Reminds me of this XKCD: https://xkcd.com/1172/
Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
why not GIMP and Inkscape?
I find asking these kinds of questions to people using professional software like that is akin to asking a professional c++ programmer "why not lisp?". Imagine you spend a career training on something and random people just tell you to do something else.
You spend a career training in skills, not training in specific tools.
If you limiting yourself to a single tool and refusing to learn anything else you are doing yourself a disservice.
Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support
#36I'm curious about Wine's usage and relevance at this point in the Linux desktop story. My assumption is that Linux users(myself included) that use Windows applications(not games), tend to just run a VM in seamless mode for Windows functionality. I would be curious if others had any insight(anecdotal or otherwise) about Wine usage these days.
I still run LTSpice on Linux using Wine. That's about it though. With the advent of WSL on Windows and my professional need to use both Linux and Windows, I don't have a lot of reasons to use Wine anymore, or desktop Linux for that matter. Windows + WSL is good enough, and better than the other way around of Linux + Wine or a VM. I fear Wine will become more and more irrelevant as time passes. Killing 32bit support d…
For work in Windows shop,sure, until I need Docker, although I could with faster I/O!
For home and companies that don't architect themselves around specific workstation OS, Linux all the way. I personally rarely use Wine, if ever, but had to use it for my kids requiring software that was available on Windows only.
Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support
#37Can't you still setup a 32bit chroot in 64bit Ubuntu (or any other distro for that matter)?
But the 32 bit code physically won't be part of the distribution. What do you imagine you'd be running?
Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support
#38I'm curious about Wine's usage and relevance at this point in the Linux desktop story. My assumption is that Linux users(myself included) that use Windows applications(not games), tend to just run a VM in seamless mode for Windows functionality. I would be curious if others had any insight(anecdotal or otherwise) about Wine usage these days.
15 years ago I considered switching to Linux. I depend on some Windows applications and, above all, I want to play games. Wine looked like it was almost there, so I intended to give it another try next year.
Year by year I've been trying Wine again and again. As of today, it's still almost there. So, maybe in 2030? By now, I'll stay using Windows.
Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah - me too. As someone who's always needed Photoshop and Illustrator in my workflow I have tried to use wine on multiple occasions with no success. Never once was I able to get it configured to the point of usability/stability. VMware Workstation is the only thing that's ever scratched the itch. I've always thought that Wine is just a compatibility layer for games and entertainment because actual professional soft…
why not GIMP and Inkscape?
> why not GIMP and Inkscape?
You might as well ask: why not use hobbyist tools with a subset of the features and a tiny fraction of development time and UX work, that basically nobody else in your industry uses?
In a professional setting you can't even think about replacing the established tools with the open source equivalents in the majority of scenarios.
Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
why not GIMP and Inkscape?
Not sure why you're being downvoted. This is a legitimate question. Although my sibling comment might offer an explanation to your downvotes. Edit: HN's really gone downhill. I thought we didn't downvote with feelings around here? All I did was point out that it's a legitimate question for people who don't have much experience with Photoshop, GIMP, etc.
They're miserable to use.
Sincerely, Person who has spent ~2-3x as much time in The Gimp as in Photoshop, and first learned image editing on Paint Shop Pro, not Photoshop, but would still choose PS if you told me to edit some images and my life depended on it, especially if I also couldn't use Google to look up how to do basic freakin' things.