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Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support

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Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support

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Post by mushufasa »

momokoko wrote: post #7

I'm curious about Wine's usage and relevance at this point in the Linux desktop story. My assumption is that Linux users(myself included) that use Windows applications(not games), tend to just run a VM in seamless mode for Windows functionality. I would be curious if others had any insight(anecdotal or otherwise) about Wine usage these days.

many of the applications for which you would want to run wine (e.g. gaming, the primary use) are performance-heavy. adding a layer of a vm is substantially more performance overhead.

Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support

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Post by jeremija »

momokoko wrote: post #7

I'm curious about Wine's usage and relevance at this point in the Linux desktop story. My assumption is that Linux users(myself included) that use Windows applications(not games), tend to just run a VM in seamless mode for Windows functionality. I would be curious if others had any insight(anecdotal or otherwise) about Wine usage these days.

I've heard some people use Wine to run VST plugins under Linux DAWs, because most professional audio plugins only support Mac or Windows unfortunately. Some (older) plugins are only available as 32-bit.

Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support

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Post by momokoko »

whatshisface wrote: post #6

I use Ubuntu, but should I switch to Debian or something else? What do I get with Ubuntu that I don't get with Debian? The ability to run Windows binaries is important to me.

The biggest difference is probably the desktop UI. After that Ubuntu has a bit more of a unified experience. Part of that is because Ubuntu tends to make a lot more decisions for you, whereas Debian gives you more options upfront. There is a nice integrated GUI(I know Debian has one but its less integrated) for installing packages. Online resources tend to discuss Ubuntu specifically due to its larger market share on the desktop. There is the Ubuntu PPA(Personal Packaged Archives) which don't always work easily in Debian.

They are both fairly similar internally. I have been a long term Debian user(decades), and I never feel out of place working with Ubuntu. That is not always the case when I'm working with Red Hat or Arch or some other distributions. Debian probably requires a bit more fiddling and a bit more general Linux and computing knowledge, but if you have been using Linux for a bit, I think you would be just fine.

Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support

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Post by Aelius »

momokoko wrote: post #7

I'm curious about Wine's usage and relevance at this point in the Linux desktop story. My assumption is that Linux users(myself included) that use Windows applications(not games), tend to just run a VM in seamless mode for Windows functionality. I would be curious if others had any insight(anecdotal or otherwise) about Wine usage these days.

I used to run foobar2000 in wine, because no other linux media player scratched some of the itches foobar covered. There is even a foobar2000 package in the arch aur so it simply installs like any other pacman managed program.

However, once I learned of the wine interface that is available on flathub (for flatpak) I immediately removed wine and its 32 bit components from my system- now that untidyness is neatly contained within flatpak dependencies.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't flatpak'd wine solve this issue?

Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support

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Post by mchristen »

mushufasa wrote: post #11
momokoko wrote: post #7

I'm curious about Wine's usage and relevance at this point in the Linux desktop story. My assumption is that Linux users(myself included) that use Windows applications(not games), tend to just run a VM in seamless mode for Windows functionality. I would be curious if others had any insight(anecdotal or otherwise) about Wine usage these days.

many of the applications for which you would want to run wine (e.g. gaming, the primary use) are performance-heavy. adding a layer of a vm is substantially more performance overhead.

That doesn't have to be true with hardware passthrough.

Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support

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Post by Shorel »

momokoko wrote: post #7

I'm curious about Wine's usage and relevance at this point in the Linux desktop story. My assumption is that Linux users(myself included) that use Windows applications(not games), tend to just run a VM in seamless mode for Windows functionality. I would be curious if others had any insight(anecdotal or otherwise) about Wine usage these days.

> My assumption is that Linux users(myself included) that use Windows applications(not games), tend to just run a VM in seamless mode for Windows functionality.

No, the overhead of a VM is way too much for a single application. This is actually a disaster in the making.

Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support

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Post by peterangular »

momokoko wrote: post #7

I'm curious about Wine's usage and relevance at this point in the Linux desktop story. My assumption is that Linux users(myself included) that use Windows applications(not games), tend to just run a VM in seamless mode for Windows functionality. I would be curious if others had any insight(anecdotal or otherwise) about Wine usage these days.

Yeah - me too. As someone who's always needed Photoshop and Illustrator in my workflow I have tried to use wine on multiple occasions with no success. Never once was I able to get it configured to the point of usability/stability. VMware Workstation is the only thing that's ever scratched the itch.

I've always thought that Wine is just a compatibility layer for games and entertainment because actual professional software can't run on it without crashing every 30 minutes.

Re: Wine Developers Concerned with Ubuntu Dropping 32-Bit Support

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Post by fifnir »

peterangular wrote: post #18
momokoko wrote: post #7

I'm curious about Wine's usage and relevance at this point in the Linux desktop story. My assumption is that Linux users(myself included) that use Windows applications(not games), tend to just run a VM in seamless mode for Windows functionality. I would be curious if others had any insight(anecdotal or otherwise) about Wine usage these days.

Yeah - me too. As someone who's always needed Photoshop and Illustrator in my workflow I have tried to use wine on multiple occasions with no success. Never once was I able to get it configured to the point of usability/stability. VMware Workstation is the only thing that's ever scratched the itch. I've always thought that Wine is just a compatibility layer for games and entertainment because actual professional soft…

why not GIMP and Inkscape?
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