Can someone explain why in countries with established infrastructure, automation and cheaper capital cost (albeit higher labor cost) the internet cost is around 10-20x more than in India? Additionally, it's often ~5x slower than in 2nd world countries...
Comparing dollar prices in isolation makes almost no sense. You need to at least look at average/median monthly income and compare via some normalized metric, like a variant of Purchasing Power Parity [1] . Even if you do this, comparisons are hard. Completely different economies, market structures and target groups, subsidies, taxation, regulation, etc can all have a big effect. Looking at India, it has a GDP per Ca…
India has the highest data usage per smartphone
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#62Can someone explain why in countries with established infrastructure, automation and cheaper capital cost (albeit higher labor cost) the internet cost is around 10-20x more than in India? Additionally, it's often ~5x slower than in 2nd world countries...
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#63Can someone explain why in countries with established infrastructure, automation and cheaper capital cost (albeit higher labor cost) the internet cost is around 10-20x more than in India? Additionally, it's often ~5x slower than in 2nd world countries...
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#64Can someone explain why in countries with established infrastructure, automation and cheaper capital cost (albeit higher labor cost) the internet cost is around 10-20x more than in India? Additionally, it's often ~5x slower than in 2nd world countries...
And service isn't that stellar. They say 4G but 400 KiB/s is average IMO. I am from rural india & used net before that on lowend J2ME phones, which was around 10 KiB/s.
Having said that, jio has done a great job, where otherwise 1GiB of 2G data cost >$5.
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Netflix, Amazon Prime Very few subscribe. Youtube would be the majority in my opinion. Hotstar too, but only during cricket matches. Local content on Youtube is on the rise. Example: Technical Guruji (A Hindi tech channel) has way more subscribers than MKBHD - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOhHO2ICt0ti9KAh-QHvttQ A Punjabi song is nearing a billion views : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpkJO_GrCo0 It is a larg…
> Netflix, Amazon Prime Can't say much about Amazon, but if Netflix keeps making more anti-hindu propaganda, very few will subscribe to them. It's amusing that the Americans and their cultural retainers believe the native traditions in the country will create a fascist state, when in-fact they have little religious freedom in their own nation.
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#66Jio revolution is the main reason for this, after Jio almost every other vendor is giving you 30Gb(1Gb per day) for $5-6 , no wonder, there is a %30-40 utilization of data. Majority of this utilization would be on Streaming, Torrent downloads etc etc, Also to note that , many of the calls made in India are VOLTE calls..
I totally agree with you. Even though Jio has blocked many torrent website, still people find holes to download the content. Normally people subscribe for the 1 or 1.5 GB/day plan, which was earlier very much affordable compared to other operators. Not others too have reduced their prices to stay in competition. One advantage is that Jio was totally new to the market so they started with 4G networks directly. The con…
It is not possible to get old movies this way tho...
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#67In my limited experience, my Indian coworkers had 2 SIMs minimum. Some had 3 or 4 but one would likely be a promotional “free” one. This was in Delhi and they said the providers could be very flakey. A back up was necessary. Some people also used their phone and it’s hotspot as the main source of internet. Are having multiple SIMs common in India? Or was I just working with Software Engineers?
Back in the day when India did not have number portability, one sim used to be the primary number and the other sim was mostly used for data which could be frequently changed based on the data plans available.
Re: India has the highest data usage per smartphone
#68In my limited experience, my Indian coworkers had 2 SIMs minimum. Some had 3 or 4 but one would likely be a promotional “free” one. This was in Delhi and they said the providers could be very flakey. A back up was necessary. Some people also used their phone and it’s hotspot as the main source of internet. Are having multiple SIMs common in India? Or was I just working with Software Engineers?
Unlike some other countries, India's mobile rates are very competitive (cheapest in the world, in fact) so there's little reason to shop around, so cost isn't a driver for multiple SIMs.
I was told of two primary reasons: One, India's telco regulator has "circles" which are basically zones in the country (some circles are essentially a state, but some of the smaller states may combine to form a circle). In-circle calling is at local rates. Out-of-circle calls had STD (long distance) rates applied. So you might have a 2nd SIM if you travel out of circle frequently.
Reliace Jio and Airtel ("the big two") have national licenses now, and I believe their users don't pay long-distance charges at all. So this driver to have two SIMs is disappearing.
The 2nd reason was -- different networks had coverage blackspots in different areas, and having two SIMs was an avoidance measure. Jio and Airtel, while not perfect, have fairly good 4G infrastructure and blackspots have significantly reduced.
Irrespective of the reason, the economic rationale for multiple SIMs was that a "pay as you go" SIM was very cheap to keep active. You paid a dollar or so and it was active for a long time -- 6 months or so (Jio never did this). With margins squeezed by Jio, other operators are feeling less charitable and want regular monthly payments or conversion to a plan to keep the SIM alive. The minimum payments are still ridiculously small especially in dollar terms, but they will pinch the less well off (given India's nominal average monthly income is about $140, there are a lot of people in this category). I suspect eventually most people won't bother if they're happy with their service.
There are other reasons (a lack of trust in the number portability process, India's lack of privacy legislation which means your number is up for grabs for spam calls and texts ignoring the regulator's Do Not Disturb guidelines) but until recently it was almost cost-free to have multiple SIMs. That'll change soon, I suspect.
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
I totally agree with you. Even though Jio has blocked many torrent website, still people find holes to download the content. Normally people subscribe for the 1 or 1.5 GB/day plan, which was earlier very much affordable compared to other operators. Not others too have reduced their prices to stay in competition. One advantage is that Jio was totally new to the market so they started with 4G networks directly. The con…
The torrent websites might be blocked, but the actual torrent protocol works. You just need to find magnets.
but there are things like free online leechers, telegram groups that freely share pirated content..
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#70Hasan Minhaj did a show this week on Netflix, you should watch it - he explains pretty well how horrible Comcast like companies are.