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'Living drug' offers hope to terminal blood cancer patients

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Re: 'Living drug' offers hope to terminal blood cancer patients

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't worry about zombies. They violate conservation of energy laws, for one.

Also, how do they move if their muscles have rotted away and they have no functioning circulatory system?

Yup. Turns out, the organs in the body have a purpose, and without them the body can't work :-)

I.e. zombies are magical creatures, even less plausible than godzilla.

I also curmudgeonly think that Game of Thrones lost its appeal when it stopped being about political intrigue and became yet another silly magical zombie movie.

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This reads like the prelude to 90% of all zombie movies - cheating death by injecting virusses, starting in the UK. It even includes a fever and neurotoxicity as side effects.

I wouldn't worry about zombies. They violate conservation of energy laws, for one.

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Re: 'Living drug' offers hope to terminal blood cancer patients

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kind of a good and bad thing to call it really though, obviously even though they are dying no one wants a "Dying drug" but likewise "Living Drug" seems to offer a little too much, "Anti-Dying Drug" maybe? :P

It's a living drug because it's a drug which is in some sense alive. It's made up of T-cells, from the patient's body, but modified.

We also distinguish "live vaccine" from "inactivated" or "killed" vaccines, for example OPV the cheapest way to prevent polio is a live vaccine, it's a version of the Polio virus that has adapted to a slow life in a cold medium, and then you eat it (literally, it was traditionally given by adding one drop to a sugar cube, the patient eats the sugar cube, delicious) and your gut goes "What? This is alien - kill it" and you become immune to Polio before it spins back up and causes any harm.

Live vaccines are dangerous (which is why we don't use OPV in countries with no polio and plenty of money, even though it is more effective than any alternative) and no doubt this drug is also dangerous, but hey, it's for people with a terminal disease so what's the worst that could happen?

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, how do they move if their muscles have rotted away and they have no functioning circulatory system?

Yup. Turns out, the organs in the body have a purpose, and without them the body can't work :-) I.e. zombies are magical creatures, even less plausible than godzilla. I also curmudgeonly think that Game of Thrones lost its appeal when it stopped being about political intrigue and became yet another silly magical zombie movie.

Zombies aren't the only magic in Game of Thrones. They're fantasy novels.

If it weren't for the zombies, the political story would just be about people fighting each other for advantage. The zombies add a tension between that and a common cause, since the threat faces them all; much like the world we live in today.

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This reads like the prelude to 90% of all zombie movies - cheating death by injecting virusses, starting in the UK. It even includes a fever and neurotoxicity as side effects.

They also use a HIV like virus as the vector to modify the T-Cells in the first place!

Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/938/

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Not mentioned here: the same results can in many cases be had from BiTEs at lower cost and without having to ship leukapheresis samples to the US in liquid nitrogen

Having seen both ALL and AML patients relapsing through CAR-T, I don’t think people appreciate either the systemic load or the possibility of treatment failure that exists in real patient populations. Neither was elderly; 26yo female ALL and 5yo female AML. Both dead, both crushing disappointments after the initial excitement.

(For CAR-T therapy, the common remark is “you know it’s working when the patient goes to the ICU” from tumor lysis; but in both cases the patient’s disease outran their engineered T cells)

Re: 'Living drug' offers hope to terminal blood cancer patients

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post #2

This reads like the prelude to 90% of all zombie movies - cheating death by injecting virusses, starting in the UK. It even includes a fever and neurotoxicity as side effects.

I wouldn't worry about zombies. They violate conservation of energy laws, for one.

They violate conservation of energy laws

Now I'm even more worried! How can the do that?

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Not mentioned here: the same results can in many cases be had from BiTEs at lower cost and without having to ship leukapheresis samples to the US in liquid nitrogen Having seen both ALL and AML patients relapsing through CAR-T, I don’t think people appreciate either the systemic load or the possibility of treatment failure that exists in real patient populations. Neither was elderly; 26yo female ALL and 5yo female AM…

It's not really fair to compare BiTEs to first gen CAR. Bispecific (or tri/quad specific) CAR have a greatly reduced rate of relapse due to antigen loss (likely what is causing most relapse in these diseases).

Re: BiTEs, it's not clear they'll produce durable cures like CAR does. They're just antibodies, and will eventually be cleared. With CAR, if you can get a response, you can generate memory T-cells and control any relapse far down the road.

Re: 'Living drug' offers hope to terminal blood cancer patients

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They don't mention it in the article but I believe this is the first big treatment to use CRISPR/Cas9 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/30261221/

This is not true. The treatment they are getting uses a lentivirus transduced T-cell. CRISPR will eventually be used but in the approved products, not yet.
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