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Berlin approves 5-year rent freeze

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Re: Berlin approves 5-year rent freeze

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I gather you are asserting that real estate developers are incapable of determining when they are too late to the party and are constructing extra space that will never be occupied. Presumably you also believe that government bureaucrats are somehow better able to ascertain exactly when to stop issuing building permits so as to avoid "overbuilt" construction. And of course they will know when to resume issuing buildi…

> Presumably you also believe that government bureaucrats are somehow better able to ascertain exactly when to stop issuing building permits so as to avoid "overbuilt" construction. Strawman. That is not the question here.

You claimed that the free market was incapable of allocating the resources correctly for an "industry".

And now you are suggesting that my assumption that you were implying that the government should do the allocating is also incorrect.

So what is your alternative suggestion?

Re: Berlin approves 5-year rent freeze

#592

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> Presumably you also believe that government bureaucrats are somehow better able to ascertain exactly when to stop issuing building permits so as to avoid "overbuilt" construction. Strawman. That is not the question here.

You claimed that the free market was incapable of allocating the resources correctly for an "industry". And now you are suggesting that my assumption that you were implying that the government should do the allocating is also incorrect. So what is your alternative suggestion?

> And now you are suggesting that my assumption that you were implying that the government should do the allocating is also incorrect.

Wrong. Please read what I write instead of "presuming" what I might think.

Re: Berlin approves 5-year rent freeze

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People with higher capita tax receipts are also less likely to be ill, less likely to indulge in violent crime, less likely to hold extremist views, less likely to litter or cause other trouble. If you want to manage a liveable city instead of a slum, you want that kind of people.

I like how those kind of views eventually reveal how they are actually just social darwinism.

Do you deny that these effects exist, or is there another level of argument that I don't get in your apparent defensive posture behind a politically loaded term?

Re: Berlin approves 5-year rent freeze

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No one is obligated to rent a property from someone else. That's a pretty weird statement to make. Do you really believe that everyone (or even a majority) of people who currently rent are in a position to buy a place to live if they wanted to?

One of the key benefits of renting, that I outlined in my comment above, is that people can typically rent properties that they could not afford to buy. So yes I agree that people could not necessarily afford to buy the same quality and location of property that they might rent. This is a benefit. Cities have high property prices because they are extremely desirable. Lots of people would like to live there, but there…

> Cities have high property prices because they are extremely desirable.

There is scarcity which mean those selling can reduce the set of candidates by pumping up the prices. Its a simple mechanic, not a very sophisticated approach...

> There must be a way of determining who has the right to occupy the scarce resource..

yes! exactly! We haven't attempted to examine the question let alone attempt to answer it.

Lets say we have:

1) renters serving small numbers of customers.

2) renters serving large numbers of people.

3) renters rarely serving the same customers.

4) renters regularly serving the same customers.

Lets say (for sake of simplicity) people spend half their income on rent, lets say we can infinitely increase rent as the bill is (inevitably) forwarded to the customer they serve (everything involving labor becomes more expensive) and lets assume perfect scaling.

Then you can (and we do) have a city where wages are low and everything ("produced" locally) is cheap OR you can have a city where everything ("produced" locally) is very expensive and wages are high.

You somewhat increase productivity by forcing out people who can only do manual labor but it doesn't scale nicely. Eventually the buildings only serve as investment vehicles rather than nurturing the cities productivity.

We should wonder where the money goes really. I have a mental picture where eggs are cheap but if you want a fried egg with a slice of bread it is going to cost you 100 times the price of an egg because the fried egg is mostly made up out of rent.

I think it would make much more sense to have government do the wealth extraction and to configure rent to have the proverbial eggs fried cheaply.

Cities not just import stuff produced elsewhere (because they cant do it themselves) but they also export a lot of valuable services. Those would be a lot more attractive if they didn't scale with rent prices 1:1.

I'm not claiming this is the holy grail, its a rather raw train of thought. It seems to me to have as much economic activity as possible one could force the price of the raw resources down by a whole lot. Forcing people to fry the egg at home doesn't make much economic sense, we can have professionals do it for you at scale.

It could be interesting to run the numbers on room service vs having your own kitchen? Why do we need a million kitchens in our city? They are just sitting there taking up space not being used? It seems as bad as having the empty buildings increasing their own value by making the resource more scarce.

One more thought:

Do we want university graduates or do we want land lords? Why would we want land lords to enrich themselves with money the students don't really have? The student automatically becomes an expensive employee. Education turns into a scarce resource. If it was a game (and it is) the "let the market figure it out" approach is easily defeated.

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