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Re: The V Programming Language

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Post by lifthrasiir »

amedvednikov wrote: post #129
letters90 wrote: post #8

I'm curious but too lazy to look it up myself. SO I'll just ask. How far does the 'linux' specification go. Say I want to run a V program on AIX what kind of libraries will I need? What about the 'windows' specification. Do the redistributables support windows 2000/7/Vista/8/8.1/10 We have a lot of different systems on our clients, mac as well. It would be nice to read concrete requirements for running to really see…

V apps run on Windows XP without any issues. Rolling out a V application is just releasing one .exe file.

It is not that simple. If you are not careful you may end up using more recent winapi functions and/or constants that do not exist in XP. For example Rust supports XP on a best-efforts basis and as a result has broken XP support from time to time (the "tier 3" support [1] explicitly allows this situation). Unless you can run an automated CI on XP (does that even exist?!) you'd better support only recent OSes.

[1] https://forge.rust-lang.org/platform-support.html#tier-3

Re: The V Programming Language

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Post by amedvednikov »

boapnuaput wrote: post #128
amedvednikov wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you call it a closed language? It hasn't been released yet. It will be open-sourced in 2 days. > Most notably, source for V's toolchain has been teased repeatedly as coming soon, It hasn't been teased repeatedly. It's been "coming in June" since February. Why lie?

Why gaslight? Can the V toolchain translate C++ to V? It could in February [0] and May [1]. You had only to document it [2]; will the feature be available at the end of the week? [0] http://web.archive.org/web/20190226163127/https://vlang.io/d... [1] http://web.archive.org/web/20190520021931/https://vlang.io/d... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19527569

The example you pointed to, actually, yes it can.

Now, waiting for your reply on my previous question about the deadlines. Why lie?

Re: The V Programming Language

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Post by boapnuaput »

amedvednikov wrote: post #132
boapnuaput wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why gaslight? Can the V toolchain translate C++ to V? It could in February [0] and May [1]. You had only to document it [2]; will the feature be available at the end of the week? [0] http://web.archive.org/web/20190226163127/https://vlang.io/d... [1] http://web.archive.org/web/20190520021931/https://vlang.io/d... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19527569

The example you pointed to, actually, yes it can. Now, waiting for your reply on my previous question about the deadlines. Why lie?

I've not lied, nor misled, just exposed and laid bare. Let's see if you make your deadlines and get your features published.

Re: The V Programming Language

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Post by dom96 »

keyle wrote: post #7

I don't really get excited by new languages but I must say I really like what I'm seeing here going through the docs. This is what I wanted nim to be, but with the safety. The standard library and package manager + packages will make or break V. [edit] ow, not open source yet.

The safety? What safety does V offer that Nim doesn't?

Re: The V Programming Language

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Post by zelon88 »

dang wrote: post #121
zelon88 wrote: post #109

I'm gonna jump in here too and ask; why are you doing all this to yourself? I'm reading the comments, clicking the links to GH issues, reading websites and blogs and comments and you seem to have a following. A loyal one. A vested one. Sure there are detractors, but if you step back and look; all your detractors are fueled either by your inaction, or your lack of transparency. All your supporters trust you, which is…

> many of which from shills This breaks the site guidelines. Please review them and follow them when posting here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

What else should I call an account that was created today with 10 posts on this one thread?

I also broke the rules intentionally by using caps instead of asterisks. For that I apologize, but regardless of HN rules there is something going on in this thread. More than simple honest discussion.

Re: The V Programming Language

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Post by dang »

zelon88 wrote: post #136
dang wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> many of which from shills This breaks the site guidelines. Please review them and follow them when posting here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

What else should I call an account that was created today with 10 posts on this one thread? I also broke the rules intentionally by using caps instead of asterisks. For that I apologize, but regardless of HN rules there is something going on in this thread. More than simple honest discussion.

Internet users are a million times too quick to jump to the conclusion that other internet users must be dishonest, shills, or spies, simply because they hold a different view. The explanation is nearly always much more mundane. Meanwhile such accusations are toxic in their own right—they have a poisonous effect on HN. That's why the guidelines rule out making these insinuations. I've posted a lot about this if you or anyone want more explanation: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme....

To pick just one possible explanation, sometimes people feel so strongly about a topic that they are propelled into making a new account where they had previously been lurking. I don't know which account you're referring to, so I don't know if that's the case here. However, you don't need to "call" them anything. You can respond if you want to, as long as you do so thoughtfully and substantively and without personal swipes.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edit: if you mean https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=kingkong2022, we banned that account for egregiously breaking the site guidelines. A better way to express your frustration would have been to flag the egregious comments (see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html). That brings them to moderator attention. You could also have emailed us at hn@ycombinator.com, which would have brought it to our attention sooner.

Re: The V Programming Language

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Post by lajawfe »

amedvednikov wrote: post #63
lajawfe wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, a very good feature set "to have". I think, at this point not even half of them are implemented. The author is doing a major disservice by presenting as if everything is complete in the main website.

you can go to vlang.io/play and see for yourself instead of spreading misinformation

I must clarify, not out of the features listed by GP, but the features listed on the website. No ill will towards you, but the source of all the problems seems to be - how you present the state of language on the website as if it already has all the features noted there. And you seem to have different standards for feature completeness [1], while others expect the feature to be completely implemented, not just a proof of concept with tons of work still required. Again to clarify, I do like the idea behind this language and hope all the best for it.

[1] https://twitter.com/8vit_devel/status/1141573808320647168

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