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Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles

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Re: Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles

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Which allows them to have the UI for controlling the car be done by a team without strong communication links with the team designing the rest of the car's UX. Is that a genuine benefit, or one that shows up more early in planning and who's downsides show up late?

It's a benefit to the business . There are way more variables of interest to consumers in a car than just UI; few if any will take a crappy touch UI as a dealbreaker (especially if everyone does crappy touch UIs). So it's a pure win for business - the downsides never reach them, they only materialize on the user end, large enough to frustrate people and maybe even cause accidents, but small enough to not cause a purc…

Vested disinterest?

Re: Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles

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post #421

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Makes me tempted to buy a Mazda. I like the AWD and reliability of a Suburu, but their touch screens are absolute garbage and going from my analog 6-disc changing Honda Accord to driving the much newer Subaru is painful.

I recently bought a new Subaru. It has regular buttons and dials on the dashboard and steering wheel for all the important stuff. The touch screen works fine with Android Auto.

That sounds like a nice setup.

Re: Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles

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post #425

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> CarPlay is amazingly good As someone who recently rode in a car with CarPlay and saw two young technology professionals try to use it, I disagree. One of them owned the system and drove it every day it still didn't seem like either one really understood it ("Why's it doing that?" "Maybe because ..."). I agree that all the built-in systems I've seen are terrible, but CarPlay seems like merely the "least bad" impleme…

I just had my first experience with CarPlay this weekend and it was not positive. What I want? An empty shelf just to the right of the steering wheel where I can charge my phone and connect it to car audio. I don't want to hand-off my navigation or music selection to the vehicle, just allow me to put my phone in a prominent visible location.

I would like it if all cars had some kind of standard phone mount connector. Then you buy a holder for your particular phone and there's already power/audio/whatever/wired in.

Re: Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles

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Climate is not ternary, it's definitely important for driving in cold climates. To the point that if you can't see ahead, you need to stop on the expressway in order to adjust the airflow to windscreen, so that you don't collide into the other guy who has stopped to adjust the airflow in his car.

Climate can be controlled by steering wheel too.

Of course. The point is that you need to have those dedicated controls with ergonomics that support driving, not touch screen.

Re: Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles

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post #738

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Not on the Model 3, it's a physical knob on the steering wheel.

Is this forum post not accurate? https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/model-3-traffic-awar...

It is outdated.

You can use the screen as described, but it is much quicker to roll the right steering wheel button up/down to adjust TACC speed. You can also push it left/right to adjust follow distance.

I rarely touch the screen while driving my Model 3 (or while my Model 3 is driving me).

Re: Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles

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post #816

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But I love the iPad because it’s flat and glassy, not despite it. Really? Your kitchen counter and car windshield are also both flat and glassy. Are you sure you don't love the iPad because it's a huge touchscreen controlled by software with virtually limitless capabilities, rather than because it's flat and glassy? Superior to everything else that ever came before and that currently exists. That's my point about you…

Yes, I love the computing device because all that it presents is a solid slab of glossy glass. If it tried to present any other affordance it would be all the lesser for it. If the rant is supposed to be about the future, then IMO it spends too much time disparaging the present. I think it’s a stupid and pointless rant if the premise is “this isn’t the best it will get.” Duh? That’s like the ultimate straw-man. But o…

I'm genuinely disappointed you haven't responded, because you clearly think deeply about interaction design, as evidenced by your analysis of this click-wheel map interface. You just don't seem to have tried to understand the rant or my replies to you at all—you definitely haven't read the links in my first reply to you.

fixed manipulation points ... haptic interfaces [are often] inferior and frustrating ... There are no obvious integer set-points to allow a haptic interface to lock on to

This is exactly the kind of thing that the author of the rant called "haptic gimmicks", and is nothing like what the author favors over touchscreens. The author is talking about a dynamic physical interface, like this: https://rsnous.com/posts/notes-from-dynamicland-geokit/

For a map, not only is there an arbitrary XY coordinate that you want, but you can literally put your finger on it, so it lets you just place the selector there. Zooming should be continuous, so the dial has no click-points. "Flying" "down" or "up" (aka zooming in or out) feels like physical motion, with momentum, so the dial has a slight physical heft, and spins with some momentum.

But of course you wouldn't want to use this dial for everything, just like you've explained with such clarity as to why you wouldn't want to use a click-wheel for everything. That's why this interface is literally made of paper—building a different interface for a different application is as easy as literally cutting and pasting.

Re: Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles

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I’m with you. Im not that old but new cars really have no appeal to me. Will be interesting to see how it goes hanging onto a 2010 for 50 years

Me too. I enjoy driving a manual ("stick") and distrust auto-braking/lane assist/etc. My car has airbags, ABS and traction control so I'm happy with the safety features. No way will I buy a car where essential functions are touchscreen operated, or with any phone-home "features".

While I tend to agree that the past decade has seen some arguably unnecessary increases in complexity, the latest safety technology is significantly more advanced than even 10 years ago.

Your list includes "Air Bags, ABS and Traction Control" - this list was fine in the early 90s, but you've missed one of the most life saving innovations in recent modern car history - Electronic/Dynamic Stability Control.

Multiple studies have shown ESC has potential to reduce fatal accidents by a third - this is largely why it was made mandatory on all cars sold in the EU and US since 2011/12. If you own a powerful vehicle, especially a rear wheel drive one, the kind of driver input mess (accidental or intentional) ESC systems can clean up that otherwise has you spinning off the road is pretty amazing.

Re: Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles

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post #932

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That's especially true for automotive SW and interfaces, which raise dreck to a whole 'nother level. For a whole lot of reasons, I don't expect to ever buy a car much newer than about 2010 for the rest of my life. Avoiding (ob)noxious systems and interfaces is a large part of that reason.

Maybe a new Mazda will be up your alley!

Mazda just moved to the top of my "I would buy an electric car from this manufacturer if I could" list, but they don't seem to be in a hurry to release a product.

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post #967

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Me too. I enjoy driving a manual ("stick") and distrust auto-braking/lane assist/etc. My car has airbags, ABS and traction control so I'm happy with the safety features. No way will I buy a car where essential functions are touchscreen operated, or with any phone-home "features".

While I tend to agree that the past decade has seen some arguably unnecessary increases in complexity, the latest safety technology is significantly more advanced than even 10 years ago. Your list includes "Air Bags, ABS and Traction Control" - this list was fine in the early 90s, but you've missed one of the most life saving innovations in recent modern car history - Electronic/Dynamic Stability Control. Multiple st…

It has "ESP", I assume that's the same as ESC?

Re: Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles

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post #907

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I own a car with Android Auto and I use it all of the time. The biggest benefit is the voice interface, but almost everything about the nav system on Android Auto is better than the builtin one. AFAIK, one of the main feature requests for Tesla is to add Android Auto. Its one of those things that is annoying to go without, once you've had it available for a while.

>I own a car with Android Auto and I use it all of the time. The biggest benefit is the voice interface Google must have about 100Gb of recordings of me saying, "OK Google, no, fuck, OK beep , OK Google... fuck, what was I doing again?"

Yeah, its crazy how mediocre it can be and still better than the stock interface.

If Nissan kept recordings, they'd have several even worse recordings. Long sequences that fail on the last step are really common.

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