Support for right-to-repair laws slowly grows • Hacker News Board

Re: Support for right-to-repair laws slowly grows

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Post by chicob » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 10:47 PM UTC

TeMPOraL wrote: post #47

s1512783 wrote: post #3

"Providing open access to the technical specifications of consumer electronics would enable criminals to “more easily circumvent security protections, harming not only the product owner but also everyone who shares their network,” and "On the other end, John Deere argues that access to the company’s proprietary software could be used to bypass emissions controls or safety measures" Of course they're doing it all for…

> "On the other end, John Deere argues that access to the company’s proprietary software could be used to bypass emissions controls or safety measures" They do have a point on emission controls, though. Pretty much every person I know that owns a diesel car has either ripped out or plans to rip out the particulate filter. Doesn't matter that it's illegal, doesn't matter that it hurts everyone around. People just don'…

Irresponsible people like, for example, those who deliberately installed defeat devices?

Manufacturers don't trust users, but ask users to completely trust them. This is what we're asked to do post diesel emissions scandal.

Re: Support for right-to-repair laws slowly grows

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Post by Proven » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 10:57 PM UTC

Let me make it simple because that seems to be very necessary for this audience

1) People such as article author have now clue what a right is

2) You have the "right" to recycle your toilet paper, but you don't have the right to make me help you do it.

3) You also have no right to enlist State in coercing me to help you do it, or create laws that coerce me to do it, or design and make products that make it possible for you to do it.

How hard is it to understand this? It shouldn't be. But, declining levels of intelligence means increasing support for this and similar nonsense ideas. Good luck people.

Re: Support for right-to-repair laws slowly grows

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Post by brandonmenc » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 10:58 PM UTC

TeMPOraL wrote: post #64

_Codemonkeyism wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You got a dirt cheap printer because you're paying with supplies. Printer heads are the normal price.

> You got a dirt cheap printer because you're paying with supplies. Give me one good reason why this particular business model - base subsidized by consumables - shouldn't be straight up banned. I can't think of any.

Because I print like ten pages a year, and I'd rather not have to drop half a grand or more on a printer like in the old days just for that.

Re: Support for right-to-repair laws slowly grows

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Post by imglorp » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 11:23 PM UTC

busterarm wrote: post #97

bonestamp2 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would Google give up all that ad revenue to help Apple?

Because Google sells phones too. That nearly everyone in this thread has missed this fact so far is baffling.

Apple is attempting to do whatever it takes to monopolize the after-market.

Google is not. Search "pixel3 repair" or "iphoneX repair" on google and in both cases, you might get a couple of official apple or google hits at the top as you'd expect, and then scores of hits for iFixit and independent repair shops including maps.

I absolutely believe GP got nailed by adwords, but it doesn't seem like the search itself is being warped to pretend like there's no options.

Re: Support for right-to-repair laws slowly grows

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Post by scarface74 » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 11:43 PM UTC

ericabiz wrote: post #18

Here's another way Apple may be killing "right to repair": I own a chain of independent cell phone and computer repair shops. Last year, Google unilaterally took away AdWords in our industry. The day after Thanksgiving, we woke up to find none of our ads were running. Google claimed this was because "third-party tech support providers" were scamming customers--i.e. people were buying AdWords for virus removal and tec…

So Apple is killing the right go repair because of Google’s well known lack of customer service?

Re: Support for right-to-repair laws slowly grows

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Post by scarface74 » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 11:45 PM UTC

busterarm wrote: post #97

bonestamp2 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would Google give up all that ad revenue to help Apple?

Because Google sells phones too. That nearly everyone in this thread has missed this fact so far is baffling.

Google sells an estimated 1 million phones a year - Google’d revenue from phones is a rounding error.

Re: Support for right-to-repair laws slowly grows

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Post by mobit » Fri, Jun 21, 2019, 12:15 AM UTC

ericabiz wrote: post #18

Here's another way Apple may be killing "right to repair": I own a chain of independent cell phone and computer repair shops. Last year, Google unilaterally took away AdWords in our industry. The day after Thanksgiving, we woke up to find none of our ads were running. Google claimed this was because "third-party tech support providers" were scamming customers--i.e. people were buying AdWords for virus removal and tec…

Oh hi. I'm an independent IT person in NZ. I've lost pretty much 100% of my new leads thanks to this policy change too. What's crazy is that I have not seen a single mainstream news provider mention that this has happened. I've messaged multiple local news media, and tried to contact absolutely anyone from Google and gotten nothing.

I've never been a believer in conspiracy theories, but Google just "turned off" finding independent or small IT companies from their platform in favor of big established players with huge organic results... and nobody gives a shit.

Re: Support for right-to-repair laws slowly grows

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Post by naikrovek » Fri, Jun 21, 2019, 2:18 AM UTC

cwkoss wrote: post #191

naikrovek wrote: post #124

I hate that Deere is singularly picked on, here. Other vehicle manufacturers have followed in John Deere's footsteps with this, and no one cites those manufacturers' actions; only John Deere. I guess it's because they were first?

Hammering down the nail that sticks out sends the strongest message to the rest.

John Deere was hit pretty hard immediately, and continues to be; it doesn't seem to have been a factor preventing other manufacturers who decided to follow in Deere's footsteps on this matter.

Nails can't receive messages from hammers, neither literally nor figuratively, apparently.

Re: Support for right-to-repair laws slowly grows

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jun 21, 2019, 2:20 AM UTC

hyperbovine wrote: post #98

ericabiz wrote: post #18

Here's another way Apple may be killing "right to repair": I own a chain of independent cell phone and computer repair shops. Last year, Google unilaterally took away AdWords in our industry. The day after Thanksgiving, we woke up to find none of our ads were running. Google claimed this was because "third-party tech support providers" were scamming customers--i.e. people were buying AdWords for virus removal and tec…

> If independent repair shops can't be found on Google, is that Google and Apple's way of muting third-party repair? Disappearing from Adwords is not the same as disappearing from Google.

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Re: Support for right-to-repair laws slowly grows

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Post by brokenmachine » Fri, Jun 21, 2019, 3:05 AM UTC

technothrasher wrote: post #185

CamperBob2 wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's obviously an instance of fair use. Otherwise no indy auto repair shops could advertise, for example. Where the problems come in is when the actual name of the business includes a third party trademark. Try calling your business "Joe's Cut-Rate Porsche Service" and you can expect a C&D order.

Yes, you'll likely get a C&D order, however that doesn't mean you'll lose. As an example, Ferrari a few years ago went after all the independent "Joe's Ferrari Service" type places in the US with C&Ds against them using Ferrari's name in their business name. Most of the shops banded together and all sent legal letters telling Ferrari to $%*# off as it was fair use. Ferrari backed off.

Good on them.

I'd probably be a bit nervous about taking my Ferrari to Joe's Ferrari Service though.