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A janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin’ Hot Cheetos (2017)

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Re: A janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin’ Hot Cheetos (2017)

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Post by shearskill »

rchaud wrote: post #341
shearskill wrote: post #107

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This post about Cheetos seems to have attracted a lot of complaints about imaginary leftists and ideological bubbles. Very odd.

Not odd so much as remarkable. How does a story about a minority janitor who started at the literal bottom, get turned into a grievance thread about the damage done by "diversity hiring" policies?

HN seems to have a small subset of vocal critics who echo the ideology of edgy YouTube pundits. Maybe they align with being fans of Cheetos and other gamer culture commodities?

There’s another offshoot discussion on this thread about how “Latinx” is a ‘white academia term’ and therefore it’s racist. Yet another about gender fluid pronouns and how using preferred pronouns is a burden some are unwilling to accommodate. It has to be the Cheetos.

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Post by mensetmanusman »

slg wrote: post #279
School-Cotton wrote: post #275

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Why do you expect the demand for women to be different from the demand for similarly qualified men?

I don't, that was the idea I was arguing against. The comment I replied to put forward the hypothetical regarding every company wanting to hire 50% women in a world with only 20% of CS graduates being women. That would result in a world in which the demand for women is equal to men but the supply of women is much smaller than the supply of men. The natural result of that is that women have a higher salary than men. W…

I don’t think anyone was making the argument you were arguing against...

Re: A janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin’ Hot Cheetos (2017)

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Post by shearskill »

oh_sigh wrote: post #270
shearskill wrote: post #247

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Or you could mind your own business about something that doesn’t affect you at all.

Fine, but asking me to change natural speech patterns does affect me, so please don't ask me to do it.

Must be extremely difficult to be a programmer who is unwilling to adapt to changes in language usage.

Re: A janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin’ Hot Cheetos (2017)

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Post by Jarwain »

ThomPete wrote: post #211
siphon22 wrote: post #160

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>"Were are problems?" What is this sentence? I had to stop reading here.

While I am not a native speaker I am trying to wrap my head around if I said something really bad or why exactly you stopped reading. Where are problems was an attempt at saying it slightly more vague than where are the problems hiding. It was meant as an opener for the following breakdown of problems. It could probably have been more eloquent or grammatically correct but I didn't think it would be a show stopper :)…

The right way to say it is "Where are the problems?" (present tense), or "Where were the problems?" (past tense)

The issue with "Were the problems?" is that it's grammatically incorrect on a level that makes it Really Hard to understand, if not totally ambiguous. I honestly didn't know what exactly you meant until I read your comment explaining it in the other chain.

That said, I like the premise of the article, and how you break down the different types of problems. The idea that the value of diversity is in having different backgrounds, mindsets, and values which provide different perspectives is one that I share.

Maybe for your future posts, consider pushing your text through Grammarly or another English grammar checker to clean up your prose. Solid grammar is a force multiplier when it comes to perceived quality and readability of a text (don't take this to mean Perfect grammar, though. I think an individual's voice shines through inconsequential grammar mistakes).

Re: A janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin’ Hot Cheetos (2017)

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Post by rarec »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #337
srj wrote: post #310

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I'm not sure companies could legally pay women more than men. Sex is a protected class.

And yet, men and women doing the same job don't always get the same salary.

Hardly anyone doing the same job gets the same salary, with notable exceptions.

I certainly didn't make the same amount of money as my coworker at my old job.

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Post by cycrutchfield »

rchaud wrote: post #341
shearskill wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This post about Cheetos seems to have attracted a lot of complaints about imaginary leftists and ideological bubbles. Very odd.

Not odd so much as remarkable. How does a story about a minority janitor who started at the literal bottom, get turned into a grievance thread about the damage done by "diversity hiring" policies?

It's a pretty standard alt-right tactic online. When the topic at hand doesn't suit their worldview, manufacture inflammatory content until it does.

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Post by blarg1 »

fma wrote: post #255
axiom92 wrote: post #45

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Also from the article: > Six months later, with Montañez’s help, Frito-Lay began testing Flamin’ Hot Cheetos in small Latino markets in East Los Angeles. > If it performed well, the company would move forward with the product; if it didn’t, they’d scratch it — and Montañez would likely return to janitorial duties. > So Montañez assembled a small team of family members and friends, went to the test markets, and bought…

If I remember correctly, Sid Meiers would call up computer stores and ask if they had his games in stock because he wanted to buy it. He'd call several times and eventually the stores would reach out to him to buy it.

I wonder if he had to come up with different voice disguises.

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Post by carapace »

nashashmi wrote: post #242
_wldu wrote: post #238

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The point is that the CEO was open minded (he took a phone call from a janitor... and actually listened to him and then gave him a chance). He saw past this mans lack of education and experience and focused on his dedication and enthusiasm. There's value in everyone, everywhere (even the lowest employees). We need leaders who can put ego aside and see that. IMO, that was the point of the story. The subsequent success…

Everyone gets a chance when they are young. I know lots of people who beared with me when they should not have.

> people who bore* with me

Past tense of verb "bear" is "bore" (not "boar", FWIW.)

;-)

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Post by mrguyorama »

rchaud wrote: post #341
shearskill wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This post about Cheetos seems to have attracted a lot of complaints about imaginary leftists and ideological bubbles. Very odd.

Not odd so much as remarkable. How does a story about a minority janitor who started at the literal bottom, get turned into a grievance thread about the damage done by "diversity hiring" policies?

Some people think that the American dream should only be for "Americans" ie not minorities

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Post by mindcrime »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #349
mindcrime wrote: post #327

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No it isn't. You see that attitude around here every single day. It's become just short of prevalent from what I can see. Everybody wants to push this agenda that "all of success is luck" and frankly it's absurd.

I believe it is because more people who are ‘smart’ have stopped believing in free will.

Could be. And admittedly, the issue of whether or not free will is a real thing or not would affect a great many things. My position, at the moment, is that we can't be sure, and we seem to have at least the illusion of free will, so I chose to make the simplifying assumption that we do, indeed, have free will.

That said, is is hard to explain exactly how "free will" would work in a universe that seems to be mostly - if not wholly - deterministic.

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