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US tells India it is mulling caps on H1Bs to deter data rules

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Re: US tells India it is mulling caps on H1Bs to deter data rules

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It would be a good thing in the long term. Too many programming jobs are taken up by things like this, especially jobs for fresh college grads. I wouldn't mind harsh limitations on all software offshoring/worker importing in general.

There are no (talented) fresh college grads who are having trouble finding programming jobs. The whole "they took our jobs" fallacy is just that: a fallacy.

Look for some of the negative posts from posters on the cscareerquestions subreddit. This is an attitude of someone either living in Silicon Valley or just repeating what they've heard.

Edit: Here's two people, OP and the comment. https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/bpj0m2/i...

Getting hired as a new grad is hell - it's impossible to make a resume any two people can agree is presentable enough, 1/500 postings respond to you, the employment gap out of college grows and grows, and student loan repayments loom around the corner, making you wonder if you'll have to get some McDonalds job just to pay them once they enter repayment.

Re: US tells India it is mulling caps on H1Bs to deter data rules

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Yeah, but as it was pointed out -- it could be done by a 6 month visit visa and still the payment comes through at the site in India. So technically the employee could be working for the outsourced outlet and there should be no requirement of a work visa.

Pretty sure that’s illegal.

Not a lawyer but apparently the term "B1 in lieu of H1" exists and is mentioned by more-or-less reputable lawyers on the web.

Re: US tells India it is mulling caps on H1Bs to deter data rules

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As an Indian - good! This will help the local IT industry tremendously.

I wonder, how much do Indians prefer emigration vs remote work? Assuming pay is equal

Even if pay is half or one third, I prefer India (saying as someone who was an h1b in US for 6.5 years). India has a lot of problems-bad infrastructure, crazy traffic, poor air, bad policing and so on. Life in India is basically like playing a game in difficult mode while US is easy mode. But the peace of mind that comes with not having to live in the uncertainty that h1b brings is insanely huge. When it comes to quality of life, while things like good air matters, the "uncertainty" seems to override pretty much everything else, at least in my case. I guess my lizard brain sees it as "US has lot of resources that will get you lot of food, but there are plenty of predators, so you must go somewhere free from those, and until you do that I am going to make you miserable". It may sound stupid, but that's how I make sense of my experience as an h1b.

Based on my rough estimates, when I compare an h1b (earning $100k in midwest per year and paying $1000 per month rent with a stay at home spouse and kids) vs the same person working in India with spouse also working (both earning ₹50-70k per month), the person in India can save more or less same. And if that person were to try in one of the good companies in big cities say Bengaluru, they most likely will save more.

Bankruptcy due to medical bills is another major concern (one of my h1b friends faced this, ended up wiping out all his savings he had from his 1+ year stay in US, and I think some of it went to collections).

Another issue is the one faced by h1b spouses, who are predominantly women. With the proposed removal of h4 work authorization (h4 means spouses of h1b), this becomes an even bigger issue considering that Indians typically have to wait anywhere from 15-20-50-150 years for the green card. Imagine being completely reliant on your spouse on a foreign country with absolutely no support. I wouldn't want to be in that situation, I don't want my wife to be in that either. One can never know when a person will change.

>Sharing her experience while interacting with the victims of domestic violence, Peshawaria said overarching their rather harrowing lives is the fear of social stigma that is particularly intense for the women who come from south Asia. More often than not, they have been told stories about how a wonderful life awaits them in America, the world's richest country, which would be a dramatic improvement for them compared to what they experience in India," she said.

https://www.news18.com/news/india/indian-american-lawyer-aut...

And reports like below makes me suspicious of how great the immigrant life is actually. I am not saying crimes/suicides don't happen in India, but its not that reassuring since I am not sure if its murder-suicide or if they were targeted.

* June 2019-Iowa family of four found dead with gunshot wounds: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/iowa-family-four-f...

* May 2019-'Why haven't they found the killer yet?': Sikh family want answers in West Chester (quadruple) shooting: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2019/05/08/west-cheste...

* February 2019-Friends reel from suspected murder-suicide death of Sugar Land, TX, couple: https://www.newsindiatimes.com/friends-reel-from-suspected-m...

Re: US tells India it is mulling caps on H1Bs to deter data rules

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder, how much do Indians prefer emigration vs remote work? Assuming pay is equal

Even if pay is half or one third, I prefer India (saying as someone who was an h1b in US for 6.5 years). India has a lot of problems-bad infrastructure, crazy traffic, poor air, bad policing and so on. Life in India is basically like playing a game in difficult mode while US is easy mode. But the peace of mind that comes with not having to live in the uncertainty that h1b brings is insanely huge. When it comes to qua…

Based on PPP calculations and the current USD-INR exchange rate, a third of the salary is roughly equal in terms of purchasing power, and half could be a substantial pay hike.

Source: http://salaryconverter.nigelb.me which uses world bank numbers.

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Master Card and Visa are failing, because we have something better in place. BHIM (Bharat Interface for Money) developed by National Payments Corporation of India. - Transferring money from one personal account to any new account (adding a beneficiary account) would take more than 4 hours. - One needs to login each and every time to transfer money. - There is a chance of forgetting password and account being locked o…

To nitpick, the underlying tech is UPI (United Payments Interface), of which BHIM is one of the interoperable apps. I see more Google Pay users. It picks my phone contacts, and even uses inaudible sounds to pair phones.

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Reason for storing financial data within the country is, because in India corruption rate is high and no.of tax paying citizens are very less. Indeed it is important for us to store financial data within the country to stop non tax abiding citizens. Money laundering is also a huge problem. Citizens were being educated, not to take cash in large amounts, for the same reason. Even after demonetization, government was n…

How would requiring information be stored in the country prevent corruption? Countries can already demand any business records of their citizens from a business as a condition of doing business in that country or citizens. The US requires that any fin business that does business with US Citizens report to the United States government or be cut off from the US financial system. A lot of international banks responded b…

I don't know much about this topic (finance). But since I see news reports regularly of Indians depositing black money in foreign banks, I am posting this. I am not really sure if this 'financial data must stay in India' requirement could solve the problem of black money.

>The total amount of black money deposited in foreign banks by Indians is unknown. Some reports claim a total of US$1.06 - $1.4 trillions is held illegally in Switzerland. Other reports, including those reported by the Swiss Bankers Association and the Government of Switzerland, claim these reports are false and fabricated, and the total amount held in all Swiss bank accounts by citizens of India is about US$2 billion. In March 2018, it was revealed that the amount of Indian black money currently present in Swiss and other offshore banks is estimated to be ₹90 lakh crores or US$1500 billion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_black_money

Getting Switzerland to release that information isn't that easy. I have been hearing about it for at least 5 years, may be more. Even 4 days ago, there were reports like this: https://www.businesstoday.in/current/economy-politics/noose-...

Re: US tells India it is mulling caps on H1Bs to deter data rules

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Master Card and Visa are failing, because we have something better in place. BHIM (Bharat Interface for Money) developed by National Payments Corporation of India. - Transferring money from one personal account to any new account (adding a beneficiary account) would take more than 4 hours. - One needs to login each and every time to transfer money. - There is a chance of forgetting password and account being locked o…

I completely believe it. I spent two months in Hyderabad. India is WAYYY ahead on the payments game. Every business, no matter the size, accepted mobile payments (usually PayTM, but I saw support for PhonePe, Zeta and others). The US is super behind on this; very, very, very few retailers accept Square Cash, more accept PayPal, none of them accept those payments easily. Any app that does mobile banking requires KYC v…

>>India is WAYYY ahead on the payments game.

Only if you(and the person receiving) can afford a smart phone, and an internet connection.

The edge US has is the cards are ubiquitous, they cost nothing to carry and use. Every one has them, and every one receiving them has the readers. Most credit unions don't charge for checking accounts, and transaction fees are $0.

US is WAYYY ahead on the payments access game.

Re: US tells India it is mulling caps on H1Bs to deter data rules

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I wonder, how much do Indians prefer emigration vs remote work? Assuming pay is equal

Even if pay is half or one third, I prefer India (saying as someone who was an h1b in US for 6.5 years). India has a lot of problems-bad infrastructure, crazy traffic, poor air, bad policing and so on. Life in India is basically like playing a game in difficult mode while US is easy mode. But the peace of mind that comes with not having to live in the uncertainty that h1b brings is insanely huge. When it comes to qua…

As some one who returned from US, this is how I look at US/Outside India stay:

1. Ensure you are rich/have lot of money.

2. Ensure you are healthy.

Even if one doesn't apply to you, life can be hell outside India. This is to an extent you won't even get a shoulder to cry upon. A lot of people think they have a social structure in the US, until they have call upon on in the times of emergencies, and realize they have none. A lot of this depends on a major disease never touching you, and having life long 20% YoY career growth. You have to be lucky beyond belief to fit into this definition, this is regardless of how hard you can or are working.

The problem with this luck game is, no one is lucky enough to be lucky forever. Most people who settle in the US are really having tons of luck going for them in early life. That's the good news. The bad news, is if you plan to toss a coin a billion times, and a straight 10K heads have shown up. Guess what a straight 10K tails are coming sooner or later.

Go figure.

Re: US tells India it is mulling caps on H1Bs to deter data rules

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if pay is half or one third, I prefer India (saying as someone who was an h1b in US for 6.5 years). India has a lot of problems-bad infrastructure, crazy traffic, poor air, bad policing and so on. Life in India is basically like playing a game in difficult mode while US is easy mode. But the peace of mind that comes with not having to live in the uncertainty that h1b brings is insanely huge. When it comes to qua…

Based on PPP calculations and the current USD-INR exchange rate, a third of the salary is roughly equal in terms of purchasing power, and half could be a substantial pay hike. Source: http://salaryconverter.nigelb.me which uses world bank numbers.

Thanks for the link.

When I typed "Even if pay is half or one third", I actually was thinking of savings. I am past the edit window now. But please read it as "Even if the money I can save is half or one third".

Re: US tells India it is mulling caps on H1Bs to deter data rules

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Master Card and Visa are failing, because we have something better in place. BHIM (Bharat Interface for Money) developed by National Payments Corporation of India. - Transferring money from one personal account to any new account (adding a beneficiary account) would take more than 4 hours. - One needs to login each and every time to transfer money. - There is a chance of forgetting password and account being locked o…

There are some exaggerations and factual errors in your claims.

> Transferring money from one personal account to any new account (adding a beneficiary account) would take more than 4 hours.

NEFT, which has been around for a long time before IMPS and UPI came, would transfer money in about an hour's time. For larger transactions, RTGS would transfer within a few minutes. I agree that UPI is a lot faster, but it comes with lower transfer limits. Four hours for a transfer through NEFT or RTGS could be extreme cases, since RBI has some tightly stipulated deadlines for credit to the receiver's account for both (you can check RBI's website for more information).

> - Transferring money doesn't have any extra charges

Well, UPI transactions do have fees, depending on the bank. IIRC Kotak introduced or was set to introduce charges for it. The rest of them would've followed, since NPCI is not a government organization (like RBI), but a private consortium of banks. But RBI's recent notification removing transaction charges for NEFT and RTGS (which are owned and run on RBI) may have given pause to banks wanting to charge for UPI.

> - Safe, transaction can be done only from mobile which is linked with bank.

The "only" needs to be removed here. UPI transactions can be done from mobile, but can also be done from any computer or device with a browser if one has online banking and the particular bank supports UPI over that.

> There is no need to give personal information, one can provide UPI address or Virtual UPI address.

Your (recipient's) real name would still be visible to the payer on the payment confirmation screen. I consider name also as personal information, if you really want to remove all real identifiers from transactions and make it seem like it's anonymous.

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