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Vista Is Good

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Re: Vista Is Good

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Post by jrockway »

mynameishere wrote: post #56
jrockway wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that it is impossible for someone to troll his own blog. It's possible. Instead of a comment trolling on a site, a blog is trolling on the Internet (or blogosphere, if you like that word).

The notion that posting content of whatever sort onto your own web property is somehow illegitimate, to me, seems like an unhealthy notion. Further, I think "troll" is name-calling, pure and simple. Just emotion. The highest rated comment here right now consists of this: "Vista is not good." ...to me, that's a pretty worthless comment--a grammatically, orthographically, socially correct version of "Vista Blow turdz".…

"Vista is not good" gets the point across. Nobody that reads this site likes Vista, so there's no point in writing a long post that preaches to the choir. The short, one sentence comment allows the reader's mind to fill in the details that he's undoubtedly heard again and again in other places.

It's called "minimalism."

Re: Vista Is Good

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Post by tx »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #20
tx wrote: post #13

A lot of Vista bashing is coming form ex-Windows programmers being dog-tired of coding for this platform, which hasn't been an enjoyable experience lately. Problem is that it's virtually impossible to code relatively complex software for Windows that can be installed on a typical "Windows box". There is no such thing anymore: Windows machines are like jungles populated by all kinds of trojans, software firewalls (oft…

You're partially right. I'm a Windows programmer, and that's probably why I switched to Linux with the Vista release. I still program for Windows, but from the safety and comfort of a virtual machine. What you say about spyware and trojans and viruses simply isn't true - it's really easy to keep a Windows machine clean: NOD32 + Windows Defender is more than enough. However, the reason for "which hasn't been an enjoya…

Guru, keeping Windows machine clean is trivial, I more than agree with you (in fact I've never used an anti-virus or a software firewall in my life, and never had any security issues). The issue isn't technical, it's a strange fusion of "software culture" that surrounds Windows: a combination of how software is written and how it gets consumed. Things that Windows programmers can get away with are not tolerated among OSX/Linux users, and the way typical Windows users do things is just... crazy. But I do believe that it was Microsoft themselves who seeded and cultivated those expectations.

And .NET is really just a layer on top of Win32, it was an MFC replacement, not Win32 replacement (which is what "new windows" really needs). Just getting rid of registry (along with stinky AutoRun section where every piece of shit software adds itself) and making system32 read-only-for-all would solve most problems.

But personally I don't care anymore.

Re: Vista Is Good

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Post by tx »

alex_c wrote: post #43
petercooper wrote: post #28

Why do nearly all of this guy's blog posts end up on the front page of HN? Sure, a couple have been good, but it strikes me as a little "odd" that he seems to be on here all the time. Group voting, or do random people really dig opinionated blog posts that much? Honest question.

Matt Maroon: I disagree with the rest of the world, and here's why.

SV != "rest of the world". Maroon seems to be more more in touch with outside-of-sv-reality on most issues. And majority of readers here aren't in Bay Area.

Re: Vista Is Good

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Post by abstractbill »

andreyf wrote: post #48
alex_c wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Matt Maroon: I disagree with the rest of the world, and here's why.

I'd rather read an opinion which disagrees with the rest of the world than agrees with it, if only for the sake of novelty.

And yet this comment thread seems to be bringing out the worst in many people - I certainly haven't learned anything by reading it.

It's novel, to see a flamefest on HN, but it's not the kind of novelty I like.

Re: Vista Is Good

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Post by shiranaihito »

mattmaroon wrote: post #9
randomhack wrote: post #3

Well there are more problems than pointed out in the blog. Many of the "problems" cited are actually just effects of the real problems. Corporates not upgrading and OEMs offering XP are not causes themselves. One problem is that the UI changed quite a bit from XP but without any added value. Why rename My Documents to Documents? Just for the heck of it? Why change the network connections dialog? For the first time in…

"Corporates not upgrading and OEMs offering XP are not causes themselves." Agreed, which is why I explained why they exist. I just take issue with the tech industry assuming that the cause of them is Vista sucking, when in fact if Vista were a good operating system, those issues would still exist.

Why are some people downmodding Matt's comments for no apparent reason?

Form your own opinion on whether Matt is trolling in some way or not, but even if you decide "yes", don't take it out on his innocent comments.

Re: Vista Is Good

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Post by pchristensen »

axod wrote: post #62
pchristensen wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Controversial: he's just opposing conventional wisdom Irrelevant or off-topic: Vista and Facebook are very relevant to this community Baiting others: maybe he's guilty of this, but I think it's more the jarring cognitive dissonance of him opposing the accepted wisdom. A minority opinion isn't necessarily baiting. Disrupt normal discussion: other people post his stuff. Let's face it, he writes well, he argues his poin…

The first line of the article was "As Apple fanboyism has spread throughout the tech publications". If that's not baiting I don't know what is. In actual fact a lot of articles about Apple these days are bashing them. Especially for the Macbook air. Also, I'm not really sure why Vista is relevent TBH, are people here starting up a company to write desktop apps for Vista? Do any hackers use Vista?

To paraphrase mixmax, I would fight anyone, verbally, fists, or pistols at dawn claiming that neither Apple fanboyism nor Vista-bashing have spread throughout the tech publications.

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=132271

Re: Vista Is Good

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Post by mattmaroon »

axod wrote: post #70
mattmaroon wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it is me who is trolling by posting my opinions to my blog. It's not you, who out of kneejerk reflex caused by your sensitivity about being an Apple fanboy (a label you applied to yourself, then took offense to) leaves 10 negative comments every time someone posts me here. Anything on my blog is, by definition, neither irrelevant nor off-topic, since the theme is "things that are interesting to me".

The main point I was making was that your articles seem to be written with the aim of irritating and provoking a response. I guess perhaps that's why they get posted - people can see that they are controversial and baiting in their nature.

Well, you assume they are meant to be irritating because they irritate you, probably largely due to my use of the word "fanboy". If I had posted that article on an Apple Developer forum rather than my personal blog, that might be a reasonable assumption. Hell, if I even wrote it here, that might still have some validity (though I think not much) given that most people here probably use OSX.

But they're on a website whose URL is my real name. It should be pretty clear that I write for myself and people like me. I am of the opinion that much of the tech media is held in thrall by Steve Jobs and is abandoning their job of fair and balanced reporting because they want to have early access to new iPhones and iPods. (In fairness, I blame Jobs as much for having that policy as I do for them abiding by it.) So I write about it.

If that's irritating to you, don't read. But don't accuse me of trolling for simply expressing Matt Maroon's opinions on mattmaroon.com. That's very small-minded, and egocentric. No offense, but I don't care enough to spend my time irritating you.

Re: Vista Is Good

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Post by mattmaroon »

shiranaihito wrote: post #75
mattmaroon wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Corporates not upgrading and OEMs offering XP are not causes themselves." Agreed, which is why I explained why they exist. I just take issue with the tech industry assuming that the cause of them is Vista sucking, when in fact if Vista were a good operating system, those issues would still exist.

Why are some people downmodding Matt's comments for no apparent reason? Form your own opinion on whether Matt is trolling in some way or not, but even if you decide "yes", don't take it out on his innocent comments.

Ha, yeah. I don't mind. Until PG lets me convert my karma to real bucks, it's OK by me.

Re: Vista Is Good

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Post by mattmaroon »

jcromartie wrote: post #30

Matt sounds like he has never encountered usable desktop search before. Has he really not been exposed to Google Desktop Search or seen Mac OS X since around 2005? I think that my basic criticism of Vista is that it's just not worth it. It adds too much to read (I really need to do a formal study of this), too many choices to make, too many new UI paradigms (on top of the XP/2000/98/3.1 pieces still kicking around),…

I used Google Desktop Search on XP. It was nice, but not as nice as having good search built into the OS.

I largely agree that Vista isn't that compelling of an upgrade. I just don't think it's the disaster its often made out to be.

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