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Re: The V Programming Language

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Post by antioedipus » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 6:26 AM UTC

esimov wrote: post #25

I do not want to blame Go, since I'm programming in Go from quite a long time and I love it, but to claim a programming language which is written in Go fast is exaggerated and an outrageous lie. Go could not match the speed of C/C++ so how can be this programming language declared as fast??

This language is compiled, not interpreted. Because of this, runtime performance is not limited by Go’s performance characteristics.

This language can claim to be very close to C/C++ in terms of runtime performance characteristics because it compiles to C.

Re: The V Programming Language

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Post by lamchob » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 6:29 AM UTC

esimov wrote: post #25

I do not want to blame Go, since I'm programming in Go from quite a long time and I love it, but to claim a programming language which is written in Go fast is exaggerated and an outrageous lie. Go could not match the speed of C/C++ so how can be this programming language declared as fast??

It is not written in Go. Go was only used to bootstrap the first compiler. Newer compiler versions are written in V itself.

Re: The V Programming Language

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Post by esimov » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 6:32 AM UTC

AndyKelley wrote: post #24

lifthrasiir wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He's collecting $927/month on Patreon by deceiving generous and hopeful programmers. Oh my. This is alarming. I have never thought that the author was already getting that much money out of this incomplete piece of software.

He's up to 56% of the income I make on Patreon for Zig, and I've been busting my ass for years, working on solving a lot of the same problems, except it's been open source the whole time, and I only ever put claims on ziglang.org that describe actual status quo available software. It's really disheartening that such dishonest tactics are so effective.

So true... I'm also thinking what's the point to open source under the umbrella of this V programming language something that is no more than a couple of examples.

Re: The V Programming Language

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Post by 59nadir » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 6:33 AM UTC

blondin wrote: post #20

weird how other language creators are ganging up against the author here...

I think it's weirder how shady the author is about everything. Most of the claims of the language are fabrications and on top of that the closed source nature of the things he's making are already becoming a problem.

I also think it's natural for people, both language creators and users, to react badly when they see that someone is essentially succeeding by lying to people in a space where there are honest alternatives that already work.

Re: The V Programming Language

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Post by chombier » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 6:37 AM UTC

AndyKelley wrote: post #22

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I wonder what will happen on the day he's supposed to open-source this thing.

Delete everything and run away with the money? Kick down the can and delay source release once more? Apologies? ("but but it's pre-alpha software!")

Re: The V Programming Language

#36

Post by esimov » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 6:40 AM UTC

noncoml wrote: post #26

lifthrasiir wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He's collecting $927/month on Patreon by deceiving generous and hopeful programmers. Oh my. This is alarming. I have never thought that the author was already getting that much money out of this incomplete piece of software.

I couldn’t see much code in his github so I assume it’s all smoke and mirrors. How does this even get voted so high here? Just on the claims?

yeh, smoke and mirrors. Checking all the websites the author is maintaining, the focus is on Patreon support, much less on real development and commitment. I'm also intrigued why such projects (which does not have any code openly available behind) are so high rated. I assume because many github users does not take the effort to see behind.

Re: The V Programming Language

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Post by esimov » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 6:42 AM UTC

danite wrote: post #12

The too good to be true alarm bells in my head are ringing. There's almost no way it delivers on all of the features listed here. Gonna need a lot of proof to back all of this up.

It's a scam. You can promise bells and whistles as many as you want but you have to prove it.

Re: The V Programming Language

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Post by kingkong2022 » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 6:43 AM UTC

AndyKelley wrote: post #22

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Exactly. Does patreon have a mechanism for reporting such things?

Edit: https://support.patreon.com/hc/en-us/articles/204914235-How-... People with patreon accounts should report this guy.

Re: The V Programming Language

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Post by esimov » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 6:45 AM UTC

lamchob wrote: post #32

esimov wrote: post #25

I do not want to blame Go, since I'm programming in Go from quite a long time and I love it, but to claim a programming language which is written in Go fast is exaggerated and an outrageous lie. Go could not match the speed of C/C++ so how can be this programming language declared as fast??

It is not written in Go. Go was only used to bootstrap the first compiler. Newer compiler versions are written in V itself.

Ok I see now, but still we do not have any evidence about the source code.

Re: The V Programming Language

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Post by kingkong2022 » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 6:45 AM UTC

chombier wrote: post #35

AndyKelley wrote: post #22

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I wonder what will happen on the day he's supposed to open-source this thing. Delete everything and run away with the money? Kick down the can and delay source release once more? Apologies? ("but but it's pre-alpha software!")

Everytime the pre-alpha nature of V has been talked about, he has been very defensive and repeatedly says the same thing that he has already written over 1,00,000 LOC in V, and he has demos of hcr and whatever on the website, so things do work. It just has a few issues which will be fixed soon.