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A janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin’ Hot Cheetos (2017)

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Re: A janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin’ Hot Cheetos (2017)

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Post by mlevental »

throwawaycanuck wrote: post #48
tylerhou wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At the end of the day, revenue-per-share is pretty indifferent to age, race, or gender. Except, as the article shows, diversity often does increase revenue share. Flamin' hot cheetos were invented by a Mexican immigrant who realized that Frito-Lay didn't have any products which appealed to Latino people. EDIT: Changed Latinx to Latino.

>Latinx There is no faster way to discredit your argument than using absurd language like latinx. I've yet to meet a latino person who referred to themselves as anything else.

"I've never seen it therefore it must be fake"

rolls eyes

https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/latinx?lang=en

Re: A janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin’ Hot Cheetos (2017)

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Post by [deleted] »

crankylinuxuser wrote: post #3

The days when someone can start as a janitor or in the mailroom and climb to the top is done. Companies used to hire everyone in the company. Janitors were part of the company. So was mailroom staff. So were secretaries. Everybody was part of the whole. Now, companies contract out everything but their core thing. Janitors come from a low-paid 3rd party service. Mailrooms are no longer a thing (there's no such thing a…

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Post by martyvis »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #33
irrational wrote: post #11

“I do have a Ph.D.,” he responded. “I’ve been poor, hungry and determined.” Love that.

I hate it. I think it belittles Ph.D's and denigrates the people who don't have them suggesting that you need to deflect the question because you [sarcasm] couldn't possibly have a skill set that's of high worth unless you actually had done a Ph.D [/sarcasm]. Bleurgh. FWIW my highest level of qualification is a bachelor's degree and I work in a position that doesn't require any formal training at all.

His Ph.D response was a retort to people questioning his qualifications to conduct lectures. Almost every real Ph.D certainly deserved them, recognising their knowledge or research in their field. However many of those with Ph.Ds were not the best lecturers and teachers they could be when I was an undergraduate at university. They actually hadn't been taught to teach effectively and present their knowledge in way that others could absorb. (Thank God for good text books and helpful tutors in my case). It sounds like Richard Montañez' experience in the "school of hard knocks" may well have set him above many regular Ph.Ds in capability to lecture and teach.

Re: A janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin’ Hot Cheetos (2017)

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Post by bussierem »

mlevental wrote: post #81
throwawaycanuck wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Latinx There is no faster way to discredit your argument than using absurd language like latinx. I've yet to meet a latino person who referred to themselves as anything else.

"I've never seen it therefore it must be fake" rolls eyes https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/latinx?lang=en

The top 2 tweets as of my comment are tweets that say "Latinx" and link to sources that say "Latino". I feel like maybe the points above that mention how "latinx" is the correct term according to people that _aren't_ Latino are probably correct.

Re: A janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin’ Hot Cheetos (2017)

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Post by jackcosgrove »

camjohnson26 wrote: post #14

This is a fantastic story. There are a few ethical problems including Montañez plagiarizing parts of his presentation and having friends and family buy out the products in the test market, but overall he refused to accept imposed limits and accomplished something phenomenal. One interesting thing is that Frito-Lay had no products targeting Latinos, and no one on the highly paid marketing team did anything about it. T…

> jealous that someone less qualified was being successful

He was less credentialed but was he less qualified?

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Post by mruts »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #63
bduerst wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> he and some of his [white male] colleagues were laid off in favor of creating a more 'diverse' management roster. No disrespect is intended with this question, but are you sure that was the real reason? I've seen people get laid off before search for reasons why they specifically were singled out, and come up with some pretty biased excuses for themselves when it was really something fairly mundane. Even when their…

It’s either sour grapes post-hoc rationalization or it’s just alt-right fanfic. If it were actually real, he would have filed a lawsuit for wrongful termination.

You actually think that’s how the world works?

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Post by emeraldd »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #30
JimBrimble35 wrote: post #17

The real hero of this story is the CEO who decided to take this guy _and_ his idea. He could have easily taken the idea and ran with it on his own, with Montañez spending the rest of his life mopping floors. I wonder how likely this scenario would be in today's world. I have found personally that many companies are unwilling to take risks on employees who aren't formally qualified, even if they demonstrate the skills…

> The real hero of this story is the CEO who decided to take this guy _and_ his idea. He could have easily taken the idea and ran with it on his own, with Montañez spending the rest of his life mopping floors. A practical question, and a moral one: Would it be have worked out had the CEO tried to steal Montañez's idea, given Montañez came up with the spices himself? Does someone merely not doing something unethical,…

I would posit that the "stealing the idea" would have gotten them some success, but not nearly what Montañez brought them. That CEO had good eyes when it came to people.

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tylerhou wrote: post #41
polartx wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My dad literally went from putting the chips in the boxes when he was 23 years old, to overseeing the construction of a brand new manufacturing plant (and running it), to managing scores of plants at HQ in his 40's. Frito-Lay however, is not immune from boneheaded decisions. After 20someodd years of employment, and a trophy case full of awards, he and some of his [white male] colleagues were laid off in favor of crea…

> At the end of the day, revenue-per-share is pretty indifferent to age, race, or gender. Except, as the article shows, diversity often does increase revenue share. Flamin' hot cheetos were invented by a Mexican immigrant who realized that Frito-Lay didn't have any products which appealed to Latino people. EDIT: Changed Latinx to Latino.

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Post by ei8htyfi5e »

camjohnson26 wrote: post #14

This is a fantastic story. There are a few ethical problems including Montañez plagiarizing parts of his presentation and having friends and family buy out the products in the test market, but overall he refused to accept imposed limits and accomplished something phenomenal. One interesting thing is that Frito-Lay had no products targeting Latinos, and no one on the highly paid marketing team did anything about it. T…

If you think buying your own product is unethical, you must love central banks and crypto startups.

This is a great story and a good read. Happy he exists. Lord knows I've eaten my share of Flaming Hot Cheetos.

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