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Facebook moderators break NDAs to expose working conditions

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Re: Facebook moderators break NDAs to expose working conditions

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NDAs and non-compete agreements should not ever be considered as valid contracts by the government.

Some NDA's can be too broad, but this is a bad take. It needs to be possible to hire people that you trust not to disclose all your secrets, and your customer's secrets. This is what privacy regulations are all about. (At Facebook in particular, disclosing stuff about users is pretty bad, see lots of news stories over the last few years.) The balance between protecting privacy and making abuses public is pretty nuanc…

> needs to be

Nothing needs to be anything, though the world order would certainly look different and reflect the interests of different classes of people than today

Re: Facebook moderators break NDAs to expose working conditions

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This was a valuable article to read.

Facebook is enormously valuable. They made something like $15B in net income in the last four quarters.

Content moderators are a necessary condition for that profit. If kiddie porn, gore and animal cruelty flooded the network, it would cease to be a destination visited by people that advertisers will pay to reach.

And yet, there are two sets of entry-level knowledge workers at Facebook: engineers ($150k/year, benefits, upward career trajectory) and content moderators ($30k/year, no benefits, likely going to acquire mental illnesses).

I understand the arguments about supply and demand of labour, but I'd have more respect for Facebook if they demonstrated awareness of this issue. The article talks about moderators re-evaluating the same piece of distressing content that they've already flagged. Why? I suspect because the moderator is cheap, and so Facebook isn't putting in the effort to ensure that every judgment needs to be made the minimum number of times.

More so than salary, I suspect Facebook considers the moderator cheap in terms of reputation risk. By outsourcing to contractors located offsite from main campus, engineers aren't thinking daily about the absolutely horrible stuff moderators are seeing, and so the one group doesn't impact Facebook's ability to hire engineers. This is a guess - can anyone at Facebook speak to whether engineers are aware of the working conditions of moderators, and agitate to improve their lot?

Re: Facebook moderators break NDAs to expose working conditions

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Couldn't violence (both towards animals and humans) be detected in an automated fashion?

Especially screams in the audio should be fairly easy to find.

Then block those videos by default, with a manual appeals process that sends it to a moderator, combined with a big warning that submitting videos against the TOS will get you suspended. Of course this could lead to people submitting videos without audio, but this will always be a cat and mouse game.

Or is FB under legal duty to review potentially criminal content?

Re: Facebook moderators break NDAs to expose working conditions

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Couldn't violence (both towards animals and humans) be detected in an automated fashion? Especially screams in the audio should be fairly easy to find. Then block those videos by default, with a manual appeals process that sends it to a moderator, combined with a big warning that submitting videos against the TOS will get you suspended. Of course this could lead to people submitting videos without audio, but this wil…

> Shouldn't violence (both towards animals and humans) be farely easy to detect in an automated fashion?

No. Already filters fuck up way too much and restrict perfectly legal content.

Re: Facebook moderators break NDAs to expose working conditions

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Couldn't violence (both towards animals and humans) be detected in an automated fashion? Especially screams in the audio should be fairly easy to find. Then block those videos by default, with a manual appeals process that sends it to a moderator, combined with a big warning that submitting videos against the TOS will get you suspended. Of course this could lead to people submitting videos without audio, but this wil…

"should be fa[i]rly easy to find"

Nope. It's just not that easy. Why do you think the biggest companies on the planet struggle so mightily to reliably and un-controversially figure out what content to block.

Re: Facebook moderators break NDAs to expose working conditions

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This was a valuable article to read. Facebook is enormously valuable. They made something like $15B in net income in the last four quarters. Content moderators are a necessary condition for that profit. If kiddie porn, gore and animal cruelty flooded the network, it would cease to be a destination visited by people that advertisers will pay to reach. And yet, there are two sets of entry-level knowledge workers at Fac…

> cheap in terms of reputation risk

Also in terms of the reputation of Facebook: any issue with moderation failures and Facebook can easily says that it's the contractor's fault

Re: Facebook moderators break NDAs to expose working conditions

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NDAs and non-compete agreements should not ever be considered as valid contracts by the government.

If there were no NDAs then companies would exploit patent, trademarks and copywrite even more than they already do. If they kept NDAs limited to trade secrets then there wouldn't be a problem I think Non-competes should be limited to while youre actually working there

Companies seem to try to abuse patent, trademarks, and copyrights as much as they can anyway. The best of-course would be if NDAs, patents, and copyrights all disappeared overnight. Trademarks are generally fine but they can be abused.
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