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Re: Writing a book, still the same pain 15 years later

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I deeply regret writing my novel. It took an agonising 8 years when I was desperate to get it out as soon as possible. The issue was that I wanted a certain level of quality. I ended up self publishing on Amazon :/ I try not to think about what I could have done with the time: study math, programming, do stand up comedy etc. etc. It is what it is I guess.

Would you mind sharing a link to it?

Re: Writing a book, still the same pain 15 years later

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I’m a working novelist (I put out about two books a year, I’m a WSJ best-seller, Edgar nominee, blah blah blah) and the number one mistake I made in the past is the same as when I would sit down in front of a code editor or Photoshop and not have a plan. While we can all “seat of the pants” things to some degree, without a detailed plan your chances of getting derailed increase exponentially. I’ve written best-seller…

It's worth mentioning, perhaps, that a lot of writers don't have a plan/outline: Stephen King, for example, who has described in great detail how he works in "On writing": he starts with a situation and develops it as he writes. In fact, in most cases where I've read about how a writer works there is no plan/outline. However, it was mentioned in court proceedings that Dan Brown had an outline for "The Da Vinci Code", so I don't have sufficient evidence to conclude which approach is most popular. Perhaps it's just those writers who like to write about writing that prefer not to have a plan.

Re: Writing a book, still the same pain 15 years later

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I think there's an interesting phenomenon here how a lot of people get obsessed by producing a book. I have seen so many blogs by aspiring writers, and overheard their conversations on trains, too. What drives people to do this? I think most of them don't hold much hope of becoming rich or famous: they understand that most writers need a day job. Perhaps for some reason they consider themselves inadequate until they are a published author. But why? Does it just follow from the way authors and publishers create a mystique in order to sell their wares?

The mystique (if that's what it is) seems to be quite specific to being the author of a book. Writing a series of articles for a national newspaper or being a commercially successful screenwriter or ghost writer somehow isn't good enough, even if it's much more lucrative.

Re: Writing a book, still the same pain 15 years later

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I’m a working novelist (I put out about two books a year, I’m a WSJ best-seller, Edgar nominee, blah blah blah) and the number one mistake I made in the past is the same as when I would sit down in front of a code editor or Photoshop and not have a plan. While we can all “seat of the pants” things to some degree, without a detailed plan your chances of getting derailed increase exponentially. I’ve written best-seller…

It's worth mentioning, perhaps, that a lot of writers don't have a plan/outline: Stephen King, for example, who has described in great detail how he works in "On writing": he starts with a situation and develops it as he writes. In fact, in most cases where I've read about how a writer works there is no plan/outline. However, it was mentioned in court proceedings that Dan Brown had an outline for "The Da Vinci Code",…

“On Writing” is a wonderful book. If you’re Stephen King, plot and structure run through your veins. If you’re a mortal like the rest of us and “seat of the pants” isn’t working...then outline. Outlining also saves you from having to randomly kill off half your characters in the middle of the book because there’s no way to wind down all their storylines...

I’ll also add that anecdotally, my writer friends who outline go through far fewer revisions than those that don’t.

If your process works, don’t mess with it.

Re: Writing a book, still the same pain 15 years later

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I’m a working novelist (I put out about two books a year, I’m a WSJ best-seller, Edgar nominee, blah blah blah) and the number one mistake I made in the past is the same as when I would sit down in front of a code editor or Photoshop and not have a plan. While we can all “seat of the pants” things to some degree, without a detailed plan your chances of getting derailed increase exponentially. I’ve written best-seller…

Just curious, how long does the outlining take? I've read a similar notion before (Doctorow claiming to write a book in a year by writing 20 minutes per day - but he also has a plan what to write beforehand). I am curious if outlining doesn't really count as work in the minds of many writers?

I spend anywhere from a few days to a few weeks working on an outline. This is while doing other things.

Re: Writing a book, still the same pain 15 years later

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I've tried publishing a novel in India (English) and it is much more painful than the 80k limit. A top editor told me, more like lamented, that they focus on historical fiction or romance because "that's what sells" I wrote a decent thriller which my friends read in one day because they loved it. Granted, they are my friends so they could by lying, but the publishers just read the synopsis and saw that it isn't histo…

First rule of publishing: money flows towards the author, not the other way round. (Not necessarily very much money mind, but it’s the direction that’s the important bit!) No reputable agent charges authors directly for their services - their income comes out of a cut of the money paid by publishers to authors. If you have a stack of books that your friends actually like & can’t get published, do you have anything to…

First rule, that's what I thought and I declined his offer.

You won't believe his arrogance. He replies "This wasn't an offer"

I was planning to publish on Kindle but I'm not sure how to market the book.

Do you know perchance how to market Kindle books? I read that 99% authors don't market their books.

I want to be among the 1%!

Re: Writing a book, still the same pain 15 years later

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I've tried publishing a novel in India (English) and it is much more painful than the 80k limit. A top editor told me, more like lamented, that they focus on historical fiction or romance because "that's what sells" I wrote a decent thriller which my friends read in one day because they loved it. Granted, they are my friends so they could by lying, but the publishers just read the synopsis and saw that it isn't histo…

Have you considered self-publishing? If the books are complete and would be wasted otherwise... may be worth a try.

I have. But I'm still researching how to market the books. I have 0 experience of marketing of a book

Re: Writing a book, still the same pain 15 years later

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post #63

I think there's an interesting phenomenon here how a lot of people get obsessed by producing a book. I have seen so many blogs by aspiring writers, and overheard their conversations on trains, too. What drives people to do this? I think most of them don't hold much hope of becoming rich or famous: they understand that most writers need a day job. Perhaps for some reason they consider themselves inadequate until they…

A book is something that you can point to and say "I made that". Regardless of the content, a book is not fleeting or ephemeral. These days people will even look up to you if you are capable of reading one. So it carries weight, both in the physical and mental sense of the word. If you're not self published, a book is also a sign of approval. Someone who knows about these things thought it was good enough to print. Really, there are lots of reasons to want to write a book.

Re: Writing a book, still the same pain 15 years later

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First rule of publishing: money flows towards the author, not the other way round. (Not necessarily very much money mind, but it’s the direction that’s the important bit!) No reputable agent charges authors directly for their services - their income comes out of a cut of the money paid by publishers to authors. If you have a stack of books that your friends actually like & can’t get published, do you have anything to…

First rule, that's what I thought and I declined his offer. You won't believe his arrogance. He replies "This wasn't an offer" I was planning to publish on Kindle but I'm not sure how to market the book. Do you know perchance how to market Kindle books? I read that 99% authors don't market their books. I want to be among the 1%!

Definitely not my area of expertise! But go read the blogs of people that have been successful at it - plenty of tips there.

Re: Writing a book, still the same pain 15 years later

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

First rule, that's what I thought and I declined his offer. You won't believe his arrogance. He replies "This wasn't an offer" I was planning to publish on Kindle but I'm not sure how to market the book. Do you know perchance how to market Kindle books? I read that 99% authors don't market their books. I want to be among the 1%!

Definitely not my area of expertise! But go read the blogs of people that have been successful at it - plenty of tips there.

Thank you!
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