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Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles

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Re: Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles

#921
post #738

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I think Teslas make you use the touchscreen for adjusting the cruise control speed

Not on the Model 3, it's a physical knob on the steering wheel.

Is this forum post not accurate? https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/model-3-traffic-awar...

Re: Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles

#922

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Really? As much as I like the comfort of the rear radars for big vehicles, I’ve always found the camera a bit useless

The sensors are nice, but sensors+camera improve on that by an order of magnitude - you do not see behind your car, no matter how much you think you do. Especially small people aka children are completely hidden from the driver's point of view by the rear of the car - which is exactly in the camera's center of field.

I got a shocking example of this recently. I was towing a trailer behind my vehicle for a 14' boat (the trailer was quite a bit longer than that). I was really surprised that I could not see it AT ALL in my rear view mirror when the boat was not on it. Meaning there is at least 16' behind my vehicle where I cannot see something about 2' tall or shorter.

Re: Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles

#923
post #858
post #725

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This is incorrect. In fact you cannot adjust the cruise speed via the touch screen at all. Apparently this was actually changed in an early software update to the TM3, and cruise initially was engaged via the screen though! https://interestingengineering.com/tesla-moves-autopilot-con...

You can still adjust the cruise speed via touchscreen. There is a plus/minus on either side of the displayed cruise speed.

Well shit, I never noticed that!

Re: Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles

#924
post #312

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no one owns a car for 20 years anymore so it's probably not a concern.

I wouldn't be so sure about that - both my father and his sister independently of each other bought their cars new over 20 years ago - I'm planning on keeping my 2017 Toyota as long as possible, because the savings are immense. Maybe it's something specific to my country overall my parents' generation keeps their vehicles as long as possible.

obviously I shouldn't have said "no one" and made such a blanket statement. But the average age of a vehicle on the road in the USA is 11.6 years and the average length of ownership is 79 months (so 6.6ish years), according to the IHS.

https://www.autonews.com/article/20161122/RETAIL05/161129973...

Re: Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles

#925
post #851

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Oh I definitely understand that the vast majority of touch screens are utter trash! But that's not to say that all are. Understanding what lane I need to be in, and what the traffic conditions are up ahead around the bend; these things add to situational awareness that makes driving safer. But I'm just not going to use a shit GPS that I need to program an address by spinning a scroll wheel and individually selecting…

>At an unfamiliar complex intersection (greater than 4-way), sometimes you can't figure out where the GPS wants you to go. A quick pinch-zoom before the light turns can give you the visual queue you need to avoid having to make a last minute decision as you enter the intersection. Seems like a usability problem. Google Maps displays what lanes go in what directions so you don't have to zoom in on the map and will spe…

It does show an icon representation of the intersection and which lane to be in. I just prefer zooming in, sometimes Boston intersections are quite complex.

Re: Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles

#926
post #578

Praise to Mazda for making this decision. As a User Experience Professional, I was never able to grasp the true user's need for touch screens in cars. For years I have been working on product interfaces (not just apps). Many studies I conducted actually told me that people favored analog controls over digital touch screens controls. It gives you tactile feedback, making it accessible for anyone with sense of touch. >…

> As a User Experience Professional, I was never able to grasp the true user's need for touch screens in cars. You are viewing the 'need' from the end user perspective. That is likely not the driving force that is causing touch screen proliferation. The likely driving force that is causing it is the manufacturers BOM costs. A single, rectangular, touch screen, that can swallow up a bunch of different knobs and button…

I'd like to see a compromise on this. If there's a passenger, they should be able to use a touchscreen. For someone not used to the car, a scroll wheel is going to feel very weird. And obviously safety isn't much of an issue if the passenger is controlling it.

Cars already know whether a passenger is present of course.

Re: Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles

#927
post #920

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You must have used some really terrible touchscreen GPSes.

Pretty much top of the line. There's a big difference between what is safe and convenient when you are sitting at your desk, lazily poking at the screen, and what is acceptable when you are barrelling down the highway, with the screen you need to stretch your arm to reach.

Interacting w/ a car touchscreen when you're on the highway isn't the brightest of ideas... Every car - even those w/ touchscreen - has physical buttons for top level commands (e.g. play the radio) that one could use via muscle memory or, at worst, a quick glance. Doing anything more involved that requires attention _while the car is in motion_ is just asking for trouble.

Re: Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles

#928
post #53

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Agree, except when you need to type a name.

When you need to type a full name. Having a keyboard present could give a huge advantage. This is not equal to having a touch screen. Next to that, my car has a system where you choose 1 letter and only the next possibility pops up. It decreases the need of a full keyboard. It's quite likely you only need to choose the first 3 to 4 letters.

I would actually like a stronger integration with the phone for cases like this. If you need directions, just load it up on google maps and send it to your car. If you need to pull up a playlist, same thing. Of course if you are driving this should be done by the passenger.

Re: Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles

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Re: Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles

#930
post #816

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But I love the iPad because it’s flat and glassy, not despite it. Really? Your kitchen counter and car windshield are also both flat and glassy. Are you sure you don't love the iPad because it's a huge touchscreen controlled by software with virtually limitless capabilities, rather than because it's flat and glassy? Superior to everything else that ever came before and that currently exists. That's my point about you…

Yes, I love the computing device because all that it presents is a solid slab of glossy glass. If it tried to present any other affordance it would be all the lesser for it. If the rant is supposed to be about the future, then IMO it spends too much time disparaging the present. I think it’s a stupid and pointless rant if the premise is “this isn’t the best it will get.” Duh? That’s like the ultimate straw-man. But o…

    That’s like the ultimate straw-man.
The 6 screenshots at the beginning are from an actual vision of the future articulated by Microsoft in a video that they clearly spent real money on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6cNdhOKwi0

Here's a similar one by LG, with a similarly high production value: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIRjytgNuhM

Here are more that appear to be by random designers/artists:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myB1L_NMLGQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SIhlWFAJWk

He's not disparaging the present, as he tried to make clear by having the word "future" in the title and then another 16 times in the post. He's disparaging a vision of the future that is disappointingly widespread.

    Haptic interfaces ... provide fixed manipulation points
    which can not rearrange to best suit the task at hand.
What about an interface that is dynamic rather than fixed, and can be rearranged to best suit the task at hand, but is also physical?

You know, like I mentioned in my very first reply to you?

> ... a map with purpose-built physical controls (not mouse + keyboard), but that is also dynamic (like a computer/tablet/smartphone). Maybe it'll be something like this: https://rsnous.com/posts/notes-from-dynamicland-geokit/

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