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Incandescent bulbs flicker at the rate of the AC current, but the flickering is brighter/dimmer rather than on/off because they stay radiant while hot and cool slowly.
Yes but I guess the amplitude of the flicker must be very low? I'd have thought that if it was at all significant it would be very visually obvious at 50-60Hz
Dogs’ Eyes Have Changed Since Humans Befriended Them
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I'd be very surprised if Chihuahuas and Great Danes literally have all the same bits. Canines are the most morphologically diverse animal, surpassing even humans. If there aren’t dog breeds that all have or lack a particular muscle, type of hair or bone I’ll be very surprised. Poodles have webbed feet for one, or just consider how some breeds have floppy and others pointed ears. It’s reasonably likely the muscles tha…
Did a cursory search and it seems to be common wisdom that all dog breeds have the same number of bones and muscles. While there are many differences between breeds and individual dogs, there are also common factors that link them together. For example, all breeds have an excellent sense of smell and hearing and have the same number of bones which are tied together by the same number of muscles, tendons and ligaments…
This seems wrong. What about breeds with significantly different tail lengths?
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#103This is a good opportunity to educate the general [HN] community about dogs: 1. They can only see blue/yellow. Not like humans' RGB. 2. They are short sighted. For far away objects, their sight is like a T-Rex, they can see moving objects, not stationary objects. Remain still, and they can't see you. Then again, they can smell you, especially if it's downwind. 3. Their flicker fusion threshold is higher than humans.…
That's interesting. We switched to LED bulbs in our living room and after that our eldest dog would not settle, I thought maybe the bulbs had a low humming noise he didn't like but it could have been a flicker instead. We switched back and he was fine again.
(A big reason that there's a growing movement questioning if we should have more dedicated DC wires/plugs/sockets in our homes and do AC to DC conversion once for entire circuits instead at the socket/in the plug "wall wart" for every single device. Also interesting that USB A sockets are probably the closest we have to a ubiquitous home standard actually moving in that direction.)
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> As well, did you know lights have a flicker? If you think it's bad, it's even worse for dogs which can lead to stress. As someone who notices and gets really tired from the stroboscopic effects of cheap LEDs, I can only imagine how terrible that must be for dogs
Another dog sense I've wondered about is hearing. What is our music like to them? Let's consider live music, first. A lot of instruments have significant harmonics well above 20 KHz. So let's say you are practicing your violin or trumpet, and your dog is in the room. The maker of your instrument took great care to get the sound right, which mainly consists of making sure that the various harmonics are at the right re…
This is a thing I've wondered about too. Their frequency range is only part of it. There's also the frequency weighted sensitivity; it's why we humans perceive music the way we do. A dog might be able to hear a tone at 45kHz, but it might require significant amplitude, e.g. threshold of perception at 45kHz might be 80 dB SPL. The ISO 226:2003 equal loudness contours shows that human sensitivity for high frequencies falls off very sharply after about 16kHz[1]. Looking stuff up for dogs, I'm finding mixed results, so I'm less confident in my assertion here, but it seems to me that dog hearing still falls off sharply near the upper end of it's range. From the charts I find, a dog's sensitive band seems to be wider than humans and centered higher[2], but there's still that sharp upper cutoff.
> Let's consider live music, first. A lot of instruments have significant harmonics well above 20 kHz.
This is heavily dependent on the nature of the instrument. A bass instrument like a tuba or a bass guitar isn't going to have much frequency content once it gets into the mid-to-high hundreds of Hz. A guitar is going to be done between 10-15kHz, and most of it's frequency content that defines its character is going to be down in the mid-range (mid-hundreds to low thousands of Hz). Cymbals? Yeah, I'd be in no way surprised if those contain tons of content above 20kHz that's only detectable with lab equipment or a dog's ears.
> Does the instrument maker take any care to get the harmonics above 20 KHz right? They don't affect how the instrument sounds to humans, so I'd expect not. That could mean that your beautiful violin has a horrible screech that only your dog hears.
Instruments with significant frequency content in our most sensitive bands (e.g. human voice, eletric guitar, trumpet) are often considered 'lead' instruments, and they're are also the ones where getting the frequency balance right to sound good instead of harsh is the trickiest. So, my intuition is that a similar thing plays out with dogs. Those instruments that do contain significant frequency content in the high kHz to low 10s of kHz (e.g. cymbals) are more likely to sound harsh, IMO. Something like a tuba, a dog probably cares less.
> How about recorded music? If my guess is right and our instruments sound bad above 20 KHz, recorded music may be an improvement from the dog's point of view, because we filter out those highs when recording.
> But if live instruments do actually sound OK above 20 KHz, then to a dog our record are going to seem limited at best.
My guess here is that our recordings probably sound unnaturally muffled. In my own study of recording and mixing, it seems common to filter sharply above 20Khz, or maybe a little less, because their's no sense in frying the tweeters with content nobody can hear anyway. Additionally, the DACs in modern recording gear are going to have their filters set to filter sharply above 20kHz anyway, to keep digital aliasing noise from impairing an accurate reproduction of the original analog signal from the digital one. It might not sound bad to the dog, but I'm pretty sure a dog would be able to easily tell the difference between a recording of a cymbal, and a live cymbal.
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Getting a dog should not be an emotional decision. I have a dog and sometimes it's a lot of work. Feeding, pooping, pissing, neverending fur in the house and on my clothes, vet, constant attention seeking etc. Just to mention a few things. And if you need to travel you need a babysitter for your dog. It's easier if you have a backyard where the dog can chill.
I am fully aware of this, that's why I'm waiting until I own a home to get one. I have two kids.
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#106The article (and others at e.g. the BBC) seem to say dogs "evolved" this capability in "a remarkably short time". Is it not fairer to suggest that this is not evolution/natural selection at work here, but rather just selective breeding? I can't think of another species of animal that has been so widely twisted and manipulated in appearance by human's selective breeding than dogs. Seems odd to suggest that this part o…
In the end, we are using words to describe genetic processes. The genetics of dogs have changed remarkably both over the last 200k years and over the last 500 years. In my view, it's a combination of natural selection, unconscious selection, and conscious selection of breeding individuals.
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That's interesting. We switched to LED bulbs in our living room and after that our eldest dog would not settle, I thought maybe the bulbs had a low humming noise he didn't like but it could have been a flicker instead. We switched back and he was fine again.
Or both. Some cheap LEDs have terrible high-pitched humming noises from bad AC to DC converters/transformers. (A big reason that there's a growing movement questioning if we should have more dedicated DC wires/plugs/sockets in our homes and do AC to DC conversion once for entire circuits instead at the socket/in the plug "wall wart" for every single device. Also interesting that USB A sockets are probably the closest…
You can run the lights off of 12V batteries and charge those from a few solar panels, or just have one dedicated high-quality AC-DC transformer for the DC circuits.
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Did a cursory search and it seems to be common wisdom that all dog breeds have the same number of bones and muscles. While there are many differences between breeds and individual dogs, there are also common factors that link them together. For example, all breeds have an excellent sense of smell and hearing and have the same number of bones which are tied together by the same number of muscles, tendons and ligaments…
> same number of bones This seems wrong. What about breeds with significantly different tail lengths?
That being said, dogs will have between 6 and 23 bones in their tails depending on length.
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Did a cursory search and it seems to be common wisdom that all dog breeds have the same number of bones and muscles. While there are many differences between breeds and individual dogs, there are also common factors that link them together. For example, all breeds have an excellent sense of smell and hearing and have the same number of bones which are tied together by the same number of muscles, tendons and ligaments…
> same number of bones This seems wrong. What about breeds with significantly different tail lengths?